From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic Subject: File: Don Ecker/Lars Hansson expose on Cooper,Lear pt1 Message-ID: <1991Sep18.034643.25422@bilver.uucp> Date: 18 Sep 91 03:46:43 GMT Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL The following are a compilation of message traffic that was introduced on the ASK_UFO echo on the ParaNet UFO network by contributing editor, Don Ecker of UFO MAGAZINE. This file is for anyone that has ever read any materials by Milton William Cooper or John Lear and made you _wonder_ about these individuals. Incidentally, Don Ecker did a 2 part series last year called "The Whistleblowers" that featured a thorough investigation of Bill Cooper and did a wonderful job, in my opinion. :-) This is part 1 of 2 parts. -------- Expose part 1 ---------------------------------------------- Message #7181 - ASK_UFO Date : 30-Aug-91 0:32 From : Don Ecker To : ALL Subject : EXPOSE The following message may seem a bit obtuse at first, but please read on for a moment and you will catch what is going on. In my job as Director of Research for UFO Magazine, I get to meet sometimes strange but also very interesting people. Also as Director, I oft times get documents, books, and papers for the mag that I can peruse before most of the public. Also, having been involved with ParaNet since the end of 1987 the beginning of 1988, I have seen a lot happen in the field and with ParaNet both good and bad. Late in 1987 Jim Speiser, the founder of ParaNet was at the helm as Director. I was Co-Sysop with the old ParaNet RHO, now no longer in service. In late December 1987, Jim Speiser received the now famous, or perhaps more to the point, infamous *LEAR.DOC* that set parts of the UFO field on fire. For any of you that were not around then, for months and finally years, and now even, people have read Lears paper, and the turmoil continued. Months later, after Lear "surfaced", another character hit the field. This guys name is now also famous, or more to the point, infamous ** Milton William Cooper. Cooper, now known for his attacks on most researchers, accusing them of being govt. agents, etc. was much more restrained in those days. After Lear had his paper posted, many of the then ParaNet users, had many questions for "Lear and Co." As time went on, Lear grew tired of people asking him about sources, etc. and more often than not would fire back. Cooper then began to ally himself with Lear. Cooper came on the seen with a report about having sighted a UFO while a crew member on a U. S. Sub, the TIRU. A short while later, after covertly sending a file to Speiser to be forwarded to Stanton Friedman, and then also sending a file to me to send to Friedman, ( without Speiser or me knowing about the other ) Cooper began to upload all kinds of wondrous files with some outrageous claims and documents. Of course he also came under some fire here because he could not prove one damn thing that he claimed either. AND, OF COURSE ONE HELL OF A LOT MORE HAPPENED. But we will leave that for another day. What is all of this, and why is it here? Well, one of Coopers big drawing cards at his $25.00 and $35.00 per head lectures has been the Kennedy Murder. Cooper has been showing a VERY POOR COPY of the famous Zapruder film that "looks as if" the driver of Kennedy's car turns around and shoots him with a pistol. The film was originally worked on by a Kennedy researcher by the name of Lars Hansson. For any of you that read my two parter on Cooper in UFO Magazine, in part two Hansson discussed this entire sorry episode. But you are still asking what is this about? Ok....... During all this business with Lear, Cooper, etc. Hansson was off and on in Las Vegas, and spent a great deal of time with Lear. Hansson lived for a while in Lears guest house, did odd jobs for Lear while working on his research, and Lears UFO stuff. Hansson was right in the middle of Lear, Cooper, Lazar, and many other things, and for a number of reasons, Hansson and Lear "fell out". Hansson also has been a very active researcher in illegal government covert operations, arms trade, Iran-Contra, etc., and has just finished an explosive expose entitled "UFOs, ALIENS, and `Ex'-intelligence Agents: Who's Fooling Whom?" The Inside Story of John Lear, Bill Cooper, and The Greatest Coverup in Human History. This is a 300 page AFFIDAVIT by Lars Hansson, and is available for $25.00 plus 3.00 postage and handling. If you are interested you can send for it at; Paragon Research & Publications P.O. Bx 981 Orlando, FL. 32802 I have gone through my files, and the next several messages go back to those days in 1988 and 1989. After I get those messages up, read them and then in a couple days I will upload sections from Hansson's book. If you are interested in the real story ( other than UFO Magazine of course ) of what went on with Lear, Cooper, the U.S. Govt. and what may have been behind Lear, et. al, this is one that you will not want to miss. Documents, phone calls, arms shipments, alleged involvement in the Marcos Gold shipments, Iran-Contra, CIA airlines, CIA pilots, folks like G. Gordon Liddy, Gordon Novel, they are all here and a part of the story. UFOs? Yep, they are here to. The inside story on what may have been going on at S-4, Lazar, etc. How Cooper took all these stories and wove his tale from whole cloth. Prostitutes, bad cops, the A.I.D.s virus, and a possible cure that had been discovered, the whole damn thing is incredible. At any rate, the book will give pause for thought. Ok, lets go on a short time trip back to 1988. Don Ecker PS It is late, so if parts of the above do not make much sense, remember, I knew what it was that I wanted to say........ :-( --- FD 1.99c * Origin: ParaNet Alpha-Delta The DATA Base (9:1012/3.0) Message #7182 - ASK_UFO Date : 30-Aug-91 0:34 From : Don Ecker To : All Subject : Expose II This is from October 1988 ******************************************************* The question is often asked, why don't more military UFO witnesses come forward publicly, and provide names, dates and places? Surely they aren't REALLY intimidated by such empty threats as JANAP 146-E, which provides for hefty fines and jail sentences for breaking silence on a military UFO sighting. Surely they realize the scien- tific import of their sighting transcends any nationalist or mili- tary considerations. If more military witnesses don't come forth publicly, isn't it possible that there aren't really as many as hardcore ufologists would have us believe? Its a question I've often asked myself. ParaNet is deeply indebted to, and a little honored by, user Bill Cooper of Fullerton, California, for this, the first known report of a multiple military witness sighting that occurred onboard the submarine USS Tiru in 1966. --Jim Speiser ------------------------------------------------------------- In 1966 during the month of the Rose Festival in the Pacific Northwest United States, the USS Tiru SS-416 left Pearl Harbor bound for Seattle Washington. The sub moored to a civilian pier near the downtown Seattle area and thousands of people toured the sub during its stay in Seattle. After its duty as "showboat" it proceeded to a back bay area where it underwent torpedo trials. I believe the area was called dabob bay [pronounced day-bob] but I am not sure of the spelling. I include the above information because it should be easy to research. During the cruise from Pearl to Seattle five of the crew had a very unusual experience. During one late afternoon the sub was cruising on the surface at approx. 10 knots when the port lookout reported a strange contact at a range of 2 miles bearing 315 degrees relative. The lookout refused to tell the OOD what it was that he had seen and instead insisted that the starboard lookout and the OOD both look at that area. The three men looked through their binoculars toward the area reported and were astounded to see a metal craft larger than a football field tumble from the clouds into the ocean. It actually tumbled end over end and when it hit the water and sank beneath the ocean huge geysers of water rose into the air. When the port lookout was sure that the others had seen it he then told the OOD that he had seen it tumble from the ocean up into the clouds. The OOD and the starboard lookout were speechless. Within a few minutes, however, they all became excited when it again rose from the water and tumbled up into the cloud layer. At about the same time a crew member below queried the bridge about a radar contact at the same range and bearing. Sonar also reported strange echos. The OOD called for the Captain to come to the bridge at that time. He also called for the camera to be sent to the bridge. The Captain arrived on the bridge within 2 minutes and the Chief Quartermaster was right behind him with the camera. At about the same time the object emerged from the clouds and fell down into the ocean. All five men witnessed this. The QMC took pictures as it rose up into the clouds and then back down into the ocean once again. The five men watched for quite a while longer but nothing else happened. Soon the sub had moved out of visual range and the Captain told all witnesses that they were never to discuss what they had seen with anyone under any circumstances. He stated that the incident was classified information. The Captain then went below and sent a radio msg. There was no doubt as to what we had seen. It was a metal craft with machinery on and around the outside of it. It appeared to have windows or lenses placed around its perimeter. It made no noise that we could hear. It did not disturb the subs electrical systems nor did it affect the gyro compass. It looked very much like a round flying "ship" as in sea going ship. It had the shape and form of a saucer with a bowl inverted in the saucer and it was huge. I will never forget it as long as I live. When I first saw this craft I believe that my heart literally stopped beating and I was terrified. The name of the OOD was Ensign Ball. The starboard lookout was an American Indian seaman that the crew called Geronimo. The port lookout was a new man who left the sub soon after the return to Pearl Harbor and his name was Cooper. I do not remember the Captain's name nor the Chief Quartermaster's name. This is the first time I have ever mentioned it since the moment that the Captain told me that it was classified. As far as I know it has never been reported to the public before this instant. It should be easy to verify the facts if you can get a copy of the log and/or contact the other witnesses. The names should not be too hard to find in the ships records/logs. I was the port lookout. I must say that I feel a great uneasyness in posting this, much like the way I felt in Vietnam when my life was in great danger. Press ENTER to continue: --- FD 1.99c * Origin: ParaNet Alpha-Delta The DATA Base (9:1012/3.0) Message #7183 - ASK_UFO Date : 30-Aug-91 0:35 From : Don Ecker To : All Subject : Expose III ALSO FROM OCT. 1988 ******************************************************************** -In light of some of the controversy surrounding Lear.txt, perhaps it would be helpful to refer to some statements attributed to John Lear's father, the late William P. Lear, pertaining to possible UFO technology. They are excerpted from the 1978 book entitled "The Cosmic Conspiracy". They are presented here merely as interesting anecdotes, which may also be helpful to an understanding of what has influenced John Lear. -Tom Mickus Excerpt #1 =========== "William P. Lear, inventor and chairman of the board of Lear, Inc., one of the nation's largest electronics firms specializing in aviation, for months has been going over new developments and theories relating to gravity with his chief scientists and engineers". "...He is convinced that it will be possible to create artificial electro- gravitational fields 'whose polarity can be controlled to cancel out gravity". "...'All the (mass) materials and human beings within these fields will be part of them. They will be adjustable so as to increase or decrease the weight of any object in its surroundings. They won't be affected by the earth's gravity or that of any celestial body". 'This means that if any person was in an anti-gravitational airplane or space ship that carried along its own gravitational field - no matter how fast you accelerated or changed course - your body wouldn't any more feel it than it now feels the speed of the earth' ". "...Eugene M. Gluhareff, president of Gluhareff Helicopter and Airplane Corp. of Manhattan Beach, Calif., has made several theoretical design studies of round or saucer-shaped 'vehicles' for travel into outer space..." It might also be of some interest to the reader that this author witnessed the late William P. Lear making another nationwide statement on a daytime, American television program in about 1969-70. This later statement was made in response to a question from the emcee who wanted to know what Mr. Lear envisioned the next twenty years producing in new technology. Mr. Lear told him that a person would be able to, say, walk into a New York "travel" booth - somewhat similar to a telephone box in shape; - deposit his fare; push a button; and walk out the other side of the booth in San Francisco - having been "teleported" across America in seconds! The studio audience automatically laughed at Mr. Lear - much to their uninformed discredit. Mr. Lear just gaped at their performance in utter amazement. How painfully sad and lonely he must have felt at that moment when he realized the great gulf that separated the viewing audience from the realities he had already witnessed in the laboratory... He was a kind and sincere man; and this author, for one, feels a great loss at Mr. Lear's recent death... Excerpt #2 =========== In his book of 1957, entitled, "The Flying Saucer Conspiracy", Donald Keyhoe also mentioned some rather indicting news on pages 200-201: "On 2nd February, while visiting Bogota, Columbia, William P. Lear manufacturer of aircraft and electronic equipment, told a news conference that the flying saucers are real". "When Lear's story was flashed to the United States by the AP, it was a hard blow for the UFO censors. But this was only the beginning. Within twenty-four hours Lear amplified his first statement: 'I feel the flying saucers are real', he said, 'because of four points'. First, he said, there have been numerous manifestations over long periods of time. Second, many observations have been made simultaneously by reliable observers. Third, there are great possibilities linked with the theory of gravitational fields. Fourth, there are now serious efforts in progress to prove the existence of anti-gravitational forces and to convert atomic energy directly to electricity". "This new AP story dismayed the Pentagon, for it could easily disclose our top-secret research to duplicate the UFO's propulsion. There had already been one hint despite Pentagon precautions. During a meeting of aviation leaders in New York, on the 25th of January, G.S. Trimble, vice- president of advance design for the Glenn L. Martin Aircraft Company, had made an amazing disclosure... "Unlimited power, freedom form gravitational attraction, and infinitely short travel time are now becoming feasible', he told the press. Then he added that eventually all commercial air transpor- tation would be in vehicles operating on these fantastic principles". --- FD 1.99c * Origin: ParaNet Alpha-Delta The DATA Base (9:1012/3.0) Message #7184 - ASK_UFO Date : 30-Aug-91 0:37 From : Don Ecker To : All Subject : EXPOSE IV >From 1988 ******************************************************************** #: 154899 S10/Paranormal Issues 25-Oct-88 02:25:12 Sb: LEAR.TXT Fm: Sysop Jim Speiser 72135,424 To: All I'd like to clear up one issue that seems to be bubbling under the surface of some of these discussions. A lot of people have taken an interest in LEAR.TXT, because of its obvious spectacular nature, because of its somewhat famous author, and more recently, because to the inexperienced follower, some of what John has said would seem to have been born out by the recent TV special. I think a short chronology of events will put things in perspective. The two gentlemen you saw on UFO COVER-UP LIVE, Bill Moore and Jamie Shandera, have been working on the MJ-12 angle since the early part of this decade. Condor and Falcon are their alleged contacts. The MJ-12 documents were first hinted at in the fall of 1986, when they were shown to Lee Graham, who leaked them to CAUS, which published a two-part article on the documents in their Fall 1986 issue. The documents were first released in April of 1987, at which time Moore's Fair Witness Project sent them to several Ufologists, myself among them. As far as I know, ParaNet was the first place that the documents became publicly viewable. It was around this time that John Lear was beginning to make a name for himself in Ufology. He showed up at the MUFON symposium in Washington that June, where Moore, Friedman and Shandera made a splash with the Documents. They had already made a splash the previous month at the National UFO Conference in Burbank, where they had made the first of their oft-repeated promises of releasing more information in the future. From the start, "more information" included videotapes of government agents spilling their guts about the cover-up and telling of underground bases and secret deals. Press for next or type CHOICES !10 #: 154900 S10/Paranormal Issues 25-Oct-88 02:25:35 Sb: LEAR.TXT continued Fm: Sysop Jim Speiser 72135,424 To: All In late November or early December of 1987, John Lear went to Los Angeles to visit with Moore. He told me personally that Moore had shown him much of his information (whether that included the actual videotapes or not, I don't know). In late December of 1987, I received LEAR.TXT from John, and was asked to have it typed up and released through ParaNet. It was early January by the time I was able to comply. It wasn't clear from the actual LEAR.TXT document, but in a cover letter (which was not at first supplied to ParaNet), John had said that the contents constituted his "hypothesis," a sort of distillation of things he had come across from various sources, including Moore, Steinman's book "UFO Crash at Aztec," Len Stringfield's work, and information he had culled from several intelligence contacts. My point is this: I have no way of telling at this time whether the information presented by Moore, Shandera, Falcon or Condor is true, but there is no reason for people to point to the testimonials of Falcon and Condor and say that they tend to corroborate Lear's hypothesis, because there is no reason to believe they are not the SOURCE of Lear's hypothess, at least in large part. In other words, Lear happened to have an inside track before most of you had even heard of this stuff. I'm only posting this so that people's attention doesn't get misdirected from the true issues. Whether or not Moore-Shandera-Friedman have the real goods, the ball is in THEIR court and not Lear's. There will be a further statement on this forthcoming from MSF themselves. Watch for it here. Jim Press for next or type CHOICES ! --- FD 1.99c * Origin: ParaNet Alpha-Delta The DATA Base (9:1012/3.0) Message #7185 - ASK_UFO Date : 30-Aug-91 0:38 From : Don Ecker To : All Subject : EXPOSE V >From 1988, but since this was uploaded, the author, Milton Cooper has changed it six or seven times. ******************************************************************** DISCLOSURE OF THIS INFORMATION IS AN ATTEMPT TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THE GROUP KNOWN AS MAJESTIC TWELVE HAS ENGAGED IN A VILE CONSPIRACY THAT HAS IGNORED THE LAW OF THE LAND AND THE PRINCIPLES OF FREEDOM THAT THE UNITED STATES WAS FOUNDED UPON. THEY HAVE TAKEN IT UPON THEMSELVES TO INSTITUTE UNLAWFUL AND DANGEROUS PROJECTS WHICH HAS ENDANGERED THE NATION AND THE HUMAN RACE. THE DISCLOSURE GROUP CONSISTS OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SWORN TO UPHOLD AND PROTECT T E CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. WE HOPE AND PRAY THAT THIS DISCLOSURE WILL ENCOURAGE OTHERS CONNECTED WITH THIS CONSPIRACY TO MAKE SIMILAR DISCLOSURES. WE ASK THAT THIS STATEMENT REMAIN ATTACHED TO THIS INFORMATION. WE SEEK NO REWARD OR PUBLIC ACCLAIM. WE ONLY SEEK TO EXPOSE THIS ACT AS A CRIMINAL ASSUALT UPON THE UNITED STATES AND THE HUMAN RACE. MAJESTIC TWELVE (PROWORD) MAJIC MAJESTIC TWELVE, MAJESTIC 12, MAJESTIC-12, MJ-12, MAJIC, are all forms of the code name for the control group authorized by President Truman on 09/24/47. The Director of the Central Intelligenge Agency (CIA) is the Director of Majestic Twelve, MJ-1. The control group was formed to oversee a TOP SECRET Research and Development & Intelligence Operation and was responsible only to the President. The need for this group was dictated by the finding of a downed FLYING SAUCER scattered over 2 sites near the town of Roswell New Mexico in July 1947. The dead bodys of 4 very small human like ALIENS were also found. MAJESTIC TWELVE is the most highly classified secret in the United States and its existance has never been divulged to Congress. The funds for MJ-12 and Aquarius are CIA confidential (non-appropriated). DOCUMENTS MAJESTIC TWELVE documents can be identified by the following; TOP SECRET/MAJIC/RESTRICTED DATA EYES ONLY COPY___OF___ TOP SECRET/MAJIC/RESTRICTED EYES ONLY COPY___OF___ TOP SECRET/MAJIC EYES ONLY COPY___OF___ One of the above will appear both at the top and bottom of each page. You will never see one version in a document along with any other version. Also on each page will appear; T52-EXEMPT (E) or just EXEMPT. T52 is the publication outlining procedures for automatic downgrade of all security classifications and the time period for declassification of each security level. This information is never to be declassified. Each page of each document will be numbered consecutively and the number of pages will appear upon the cover sheet. Copys of MAJESTIC TWELVE beyond the original number are forbidden. PROJECTS under MAJESTIC TWELVE The operations listed here were current as late as 1976 with absolute certainty and are still operational to the best of our knowledge. The names of the original operations were changed several times over the years and eventually evolved into those listed. PROJECT SIGN (PROWORD) MAJIC The first project under MAJESTIC TWELVE. The mission of project sign was essentially the same as that which PROJECT AQUARIUS evolved into. PROJECT SIGN referred to aliens as Extraterrestrial Biological Entities. The reasons for the absorbtion of PROJECT SIGN by PROJECT AQUARIUS were mainly of a political and security nature. PROJECT AQUARIUS stripped the Air Force and Army Generals of their historic control of the UFO/IAC projects and placed most of it under the Intelligence umbrella. PROJECT AQUARIUS (PROWORD) MAJIC Established in 1953 by President Eisenhower under control of MJ-12 and PROJECT SIGN. The Project contains all information collected by the United States since it began investigating UFO's (Unidentified Flying Objects) and IAC's (Identified Alien Craft). At the time we saw this information it existed in approximately 15 or 16 volumes. This project became an independent project when PROJECT SIGN was eliminated in 1960. PROJECT AQUARIUS referred to aliens as Alien Life Forms. The mission of PROJECT AQUARIUS was to gather all scientific, technological, medical, and intelligence information from UFO & IAC sightings and contacts with Alien Life Forms. The information was to be used in the space program. PROJECT SIGMA (PROWORD) AQUARIUS Established in 1954 as part of PROJECT SIGN. The mission of PROJECT SIGMA was to establish communication with the aliens. First communication was established in 1959 through binary computer language. On April 25, 1964 a USAF (OSI) officer met with aliens at a prearranged desert location in New Mexico. Information was exchanged and a basic understanding was reached after several hours. It was learned through this effort that several species of alien life existed. Communication was eventually established with all of them. Through communications it was determined that 3 catagorys existed. The three catagorys are MALEVOLENT (DANGEROUS), BENEVOLENT (GOOD-HELPFUL), and NEUTRAL (OBSERVERS ONLY) The project has been extremely successful. PROJECT PLATO (PROWORD) AQUARIUS Established in 1960 after the United States established communications with the aliens. The mission of PROJECT PLATO was to establ ish diplomatic re lations with the aliens. Project Plato made agreements in order to prevent hostilitys between the United States and the aliens. An agreement was made with the MALEVOLENT aliens whereby they could abduct humans. The purpose of these abductions were to provide blood and other biological fluids as food for the aliens. The aliens agreed to furnish a list periodically to MJ-12 of the names of those abducted. PROJECT PLATO took whatever steps neccessary to prevent public disclosure. * PROJECT PLUTO (PROWORD) AQUARIUS Established in 1947 after the Roswell incident. The mission of PROJECT PLUTO was to recover all crashed or downed alien craft, to recover all evidence of alien presence or technology, and to recover all alien bodies (alive or dead). PROJECT PLUTO developed cover stories to satisfy press and civilian curiosity. PROJECT PLUTO was authorized use of deadly force and/or relocation to insure secrecy. PROJECT PLUTO was responsible for and biological intelligence of the Alien Life Forms. PROJECT POUNCE (PROWORD) AQUARIUS Established in 1968. The mission of PROJECT POUNCE was to evaluate all UFO/IAC information pertaining to space technology. The goal was to duplicate the technology and/or improve upon it. Ultimate use of the technology would establish the United States as the dominate world power and close the gap in any confrontation with the aliens. PROJECT REDLIGHT (PROWORD) AQUARIUS Established in 1954. The mission REDLIGHT was to test a recovered alien craft. The mission was accomplished in part only. PROJECT REDLIGHT was terminated in 1963 after every (flyable) recovered craft exploded during test flights. There were no survivors among the human test pilots. PROJECT SNOWBIRD (PROWORD) AQUARIUS Established in 1972. The mission of PROJECT SNOWBIRD was to test fly a recovered alien craft. The project was on going the last time I saw this information. PROJECT ???????? (PROWORD) AQUARIUS (NOTE...We are recall the name of this project nor have we been able to get response from anyone on it. At the time we saw the information the project was ongoing. It cannot be determined if this project is still in existence.) The mission of this project was to develop a low frequency pulsed sound generator. The energy produced from this generator was to be concentrated so that it could be aimed and used as a weapon in order to destroy the alien craft and beam weapons. The alien beam weapons were described as ange but able to incapacitate or destroy any weapons system known to date (1972). The aliens also possess a beam weapon which is described as being able to paralyse any human within range. Tests were described as having shown that the alien craft and weapons were extremely sensitive to low frequency pulsed sound waves. This weapon was to be used to incapacitate the alien defenses in order to allow PROJECT EXCALIBUR to succeed in its mission. The initial technology used in this project was capture the Germans during WW- II. The German sound generators were described as being able to knock down reinforced concrete buildings and shatter 4" thick armour from a great range. This technology is believed to further substantiate that Germany had recovered alien craft and had possibly had some dealings with the aliens prior to or during WW-II. Documents captured during and after WW-II indicated that an alien craft had been recovered by Germany in 1939. A German built flying saucer was captured dur last few months of WW-II. PROJECT EXCALIBUR (PROWORD) AQUARIUS Established in 1972. The mission of PROJECT EXCALIBUR is to develop a weapons system capable of destroying the alien underground base after the alien beam weapons have been incapacitated or destroyed. The alien underground base is located beneath an indian reservation near the small town of Dulce, New Mexico. The device must be capable of penetrating 1,000 meters of tufa / hard pack soil and sustain no operational damage. This typ is commonly found in New Mexico where the alien base is located. Missile apogee must not exceed 30,000 feet AGL. Impact deviation will now exceed 50 meters. The device will carry a 1 megaton warhead. PROJECT BLUE BOOK A U.S. Air Force project establiahed to determine whether UFO's pose a threat to the security of the United States and to determine whether UFO's exhibit any unique scientific information or advanced technology which could contribute to scientific or technical research. PROJECT was successful in its primary mission outlined above. PROJECT BLUE BOOK was not quite so successful in its secondary mission which was to publicly explain away the UFO phenomenon as natural or known phenomenon in order to eleminate public interest. To completely fulfill the secondary mission it was decided that an outside commission of distinguished scientists would be convened in order to permanantly lay the issue to rest. After this 'study' was completed (Condon Commission) the Air Force state the continuation of Project Blue Book cannot be justified, either on the ground of national security or in the interest of science. PROJECT BLUE BOOK was abandoned and its mission and information was consolidated under PROJECT AQUARIUS in 1969. SCIENTIFIC STUDY OF UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS Contracted to the University of Colorado in 1966 and Chaired by Dr. Edward U. Condon. The results of the panel were dictated before the first meeting. Despite objections of the other panel members, Dr. Cond le to fulfill the mission. The general conclusion was that "nothing has come from the study of UFOs in the past 21 years that has added to scientific knowledge." A panel from the National Academy of Sciences agreed. The press and the public were satisfied. Except for a hard core element of UFO believers the issue died in the public forum. OPERATION UFO (NSA OPERATION IN SUPPORT OF PROJECT PLUTO) The mission of Operation UFO was to form intelligence teams versed in all of the knowledge learned which would be the first on scene of any UFO crash site in order to secure the technology and prevent it from falling into foreign hands. Several teams existed over the world. The United States was specifically concerned that it did not fall into Soviet hands. This mission was to be accomplished no matter the country of occurrance. Many subsequent ALIEN CRAFT recoverys would occur in foreign countrys as well as the United States. UFO was also used to recover downed space hardware (especially So d to recover nuclear weapons which became lost (usually by accident). OPERATION MOONDUST (SUPPORTED SPACE PROGRAM & UFO) The mission of Operation Moondust was to provide a cover which would neutralize public curiosity while recovery of an ALIEN CRAFT was being conducted. The teams that made up the compliment of Moondust were the same teams that made up UFO. Moondust was made public and its mission (to the public) was to identify and recover United States space hardware which might fall to earth. s a bonified mission when circumstances dictated. OPERATION BLUEFLY (SUPPORTED UFO & MOONDUST) The mission of operation Bluefly was to provide QUICK REACTION COMBAT TEAMS known as ALPHA teams (fight for technology if neccessary), mechanical and technological support in recovery, rapid and secure transport to secure storage and examination areas. There are several of these storage and examination areas in order to limit distance traveled and thus limit the possible chance of an accident that cou e cargo to public knowledge. Several teams existed over the world. Recovery and transport of both EBEs (dead or alive) and Alien craft were accomplished. Bluefly was also utilized in event of recovery of space objects (of terrestrial origin), and event of recovery of lost nuclear weapons (usually due to accident). NOTE....This account of the history and current status of MAJESTIC TWELVE and the Alien Life Forms has been kept brief. We believe that the intent, however, has been served with th on provided. The whole story would fill several hundred volumes. We realize that even with the combined effort of several memorys we have probably made some mistakes. We have tried to minimize the mistakes and feel that what is represented is true and correct to the best of our combined knowledge. Message #7186 - ASK_UFO Date : 30-Aug-91 0:40 From : Don Ecker To : All Subject : EXPOSE VI >From 1988 ******************************************************************* LEAR AND COOPER: AN EXPLANATION (But Not an Apology) Jim Speiser 10/26/88 Ordinarily, I don't feel I have to explain my actions regarding this board or this network. I think I've developed a pretty good reputa- tion for reliability and fairness. I certainly owe nothing in the way of an explanation to Messrs. Cooper and Lear. However, I can see where some confusion may have arisen regarding my actions, especial- ly on the part of Don Ecker, whom I have a great deal of respect for, and on the part of other users who have discreetly inquired as to my reasons. These things always seem to come best in the form of chronologies, and so, a brief chronology follows. Bill Cooper first contacted this board with a story of a sighting he had on board a submarine in 1966. The story (TIRU-1.UFO) was forward- ed to Vickie Cooper for inclusion in a possible story in UFO Maga- zine. It was also sent to Stan Friedman for verification. This was back in August. I learned from Vickie Cooper that Bill (no relation) had had a con- versation with her in which the Majestic-12 documents had come up. When she mentioned the "proword" "MAJIC", he claimed to have seen that word on several documents back in his days with CINCPACFLT (Commander in Chief, Pacific Fleet). About a week later, I received the first of many files from Cooper, in which he implied that he had firsthand contact with or knowledge of individuals connected with MJ- 12. (see GUIDANCE.DOC). He further implied that anyone possessing this knowledge was in great danger. I forwarded this file to both Stanton Friedman and Jamie Shandera, to see whether any of the in- formation in it checked out. I later found out that it did not. In the meantime, Cooper took a more active role in the public mes- sage base. He claimed publicly that he had lost his $75,000/year job as a marketing director, two days after having spoken with Stan Friedman. He stated that he would not be providing any more info for this reason. In the meantime, several more documents written by Cooper filtered through the ParaNet system, by way of our Ft. Smith board. They were uploaded anonymously, but were written by Cooper. They each contained the same preamble, which claimed that the info was for myself and for Stanton Friedman only, and that we were in great danger for possessing the info contained therein. (DANGER.DOC, MUGGER.DOC, PICNIC2.DOC). At around this time, a user named Jeff Felix began using the board, and asked via chat for a private meeting between him and myself. We set up a meet at the Jerry's on Scottsdale Road in Tempe (the same one at which the Phoenix Skeptics hold their monthly meetings.) At this meeting, Felix, who is all of about 24, told a bizarre tale of having been an NSA cryptology technician, of having been "fooling around" on the NSA computer, trying to come up with an encryption program, and had "stumbled across" the Majestic file, the Aquarius file, the whole ball of wax. "Its all true," he told us, "the under- ground bases, the aliens, the crashed saucers, etc." He claimed that with a modified modem, he could get back in to the files. Naturally, I was extremely skeptical, and a few days later when I asked Felix a few questions on the phone, testing his knowledge of the most basic intelligence terminology, I became flat-out incredulous when he failed the test. What was even more revealing was that Bill Cooper had provided me with some of the questions I asked Felix, and I have a captured chat session with Cooper in which he expressed his doubts of Felix's veracity. In my last online chat with Felix, he mentioned something called Project X-calibur (his spelling). He said he had discussed it with Cooper on the phone before he had called me. Cooper later told me that no, Felix had not mentioned it. He told me he had heard of it, but that it was VERY Top Secret, above his level. He said he didn't know anything more about it. Much to my surprise, Cooper later called to tell me that Project Excalibur is real, that his sources told him it was a project by MJ- 12 to extract technology from the aliens. He told me that it was important I get in touch with Felix, that if "the kid knows about [Excalibur], he's for real." Felix, in the meantime, would give me no information about Excalibur, except that a friend of his who had done the same thing he had (broken into the NSA's Cray-3 computer, the most advanced and secure supercomputer in the world), had "stum- bled across" the Excalibur file. My thinking on Cooper and Felix at this time began to center on the thought that the two of them were scamming me behind my back, and I had visions of having ParaNet become a home for unwed paranoids. When John LEar returned from his long absence, and began to join with Cooper in a series of mutual admiration sessions, I saw things getting out of control. I knew by now that Cooper was either engaging in fantasy role-play- ing, or something more sinister. The word "disinformation" has been bandied about quite freely during this entire MJ-12 mess. Now, please consider: Cooper's credentials as a Naval NCO with a back- ground in intelligence seem to check out. His information is self- contradicting and paranoid, and does NOT check out, at least with the several intelligence sources I have contacted. After the UFO COVER-UP broadcast, Cooper sent ANOTHER file by way of ParaNet RHO in BOISE, called his 10-15-88 Position Paper. In it he completely contradicts his entire previous thesis, and claims that the MJ-12 scenario as painted by Moore's group (and implicitly, by himself) is a hoax. Further, he claims to be in full agreement with John Lear (which agreement seems to be mutual, based on Lear's support of Cooper). Now I ask you, if agents of disinformation are at work to discredit the field of Ufology, who is the more likely suspect? Moore/Shandera/Friedman, who claimed from the beginning to have videotapes of bona fide government agents, and produced them for live TV, or Cooper/Lear, who seemingly plagiarized the Moore docu- ments, gave them a slightly different spin, then turned around and contradicted themselves the moment it became public knowledge, and can't even seem to agree with each other, yet support each other publicly? My locking out of Cooper was actually on the advice of Cooper himself, who accused William Pitts and the New Project Blue Book of being a military intelligence cover operation, and ParaNet of being an unwitting disinformation pipeline. To avoid becoming such a pipeline, which I'm sure no one here wants, I simply got rid of the most likely suspect. As to Lear, I don't think any self-respecting Sysop would stand for being accused of borderline treason on his public board, especially from a man who proudly displays in his office enlarged telephoto- graphs of the installation at Groom Lake, the country's most secret tactical aircraft development area, obtained by himself after at- tempting to enter the area illegally. His unqualified support for Cooper, which seems to be based solely on Cooper's unqualified support for him, I found distasteful and somehow disturbing, in light of the fact that Cooper has contradicted Lear's information. And consider: John Lear entered Ufology in early 1987, when it be- came known to a few that Moore was going to release MJ-12. Lear is known to have been a CIA operative in the past. He wears his patriot- ism on his office walls, in the form of autographed pictures of him- self standing with G. Gordon Liddy. Again, if disinformation is taking place, I ask you, who is the more likely source? And is it working? Well, consider. What if Moore/Shandera/Friedman DO have the real goods? If so, isn't it a shame that so many intelligent people, people such as Don Ecker, watched UFO COVER-UP LIVE, and instead of asking if MSF were for real, began asking if Lear and Cooper were for real? This, despite the obvious contra- dictions and obfuscations listed below: "The documents you are looking for are for the most part labeled TOP SECRET MAJIC-RESTRICTED DATA" -- Bill Cooper, 22 August "EVERY DOCUMENT YOU SEE WHICH USES...`MAJIC' IS A FRAUD!" -- Bill Cooper, 15 October "The documents produced by Mr. Moore et al are photographic copies of genuine documents which were procured at great risk." -- Bill Cooper, 22 August "I CAN PROVE BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT TO ANYONE THAT MOST OF THE INFORMATION RELEASED BY WILLIAM MOORE, ET AL...ARE OBVIOUS AND DELIBERATE FORGERIES." -- Bill Cooper, 15 October "Hmmm...let me think on that one for a while." -- Bill Cooper, when I told him that the Aquarius Telex contained a compartmentalized routing code at the top that indicated to anyone trained in military communications/intelligence that the document was either fraudulent or to be ignored for some reason. Phone conversation, 11 October "The code is ZNY." -- Bill Cooper, phone conversation, 12 October. "I got it, Jim, I just remembered after I hung up with you, its NOT ZNY, that means something else, but its _________" (my deletion). -- Bill Cooper, phone conversation, 12 October "There is a code at the head of the AQUARIUS TELEX that tells me that the information contained within it is not to be acted upon nor in any way believed...________ on the telex net informs all stations that the message CANNOT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY...The code is really a type of slang/graffiti that was used by a lot of enlisted men, and sometimes by officers. I had a lot of fun with a couple of Ufologists on that one. THEY STILL BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE TESTING ME." -- Bill Cooper, 15 October ----- Emphasis and deletions above are in the originals except where indicated. --- FD 1.99c * Origin: ParaNet Alpha-Delta The DATA Base (9:1012/3.0) Message #8540 - ASK_UFO Date : 05-Sep-91 13:19 From : Don Ecker To : All Subject : UFOs, Aliens, & Ex-Spooks! To All ParaNet readers; As promised, here is selected sections from the just published book "UFOs, Aliens, and "Ex"-intelligence Agents" by researcher and author Lars Hansson. Hansson gave me permission to upload sections from his book to the ParaNet readership. If you are interested in buying this 300 page interesting release of facts, figures, etc. you can write Hansson at; Paragon Research & Publications P.O. Box 981 Orlando, Florida 32802 The book is $25.00 U.S. with $3.00 for postage and handling. >From the new book: ** UFOs, Aliens, and "Ex"-intelligence Agents: Who's Fooling Whom? `The inside story of John Lear, Bill Cooper and "The Greatest Cover-Up in Human History' ** Part One: LEAR AND LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS (with apologies to Dr. Hunter S. Thompson) Although I knew it would somehow be inevitable, I have been very reluctant to commit what follows to hard copy for a number of reasons. Throughout years of uncovering all manner of lies, treachery, deceit and betrayal by criminal elements within the government of our country and its client regimes around the world, I have subscribed to an unspoken code of "honor among thieves" -- that is, to respect and protect the identity of sources who have finally chosen to "come clean," often at great peril to themselves or their families. What has been held reluctantly in confidence emerges now only after the repeated blatant and sniggering violation of that code by John Lear himself. Despite Lear's cultivated image as a swashbuckling pilot and serious UFO researcher, he is, in my opinion, and others', an irresponsible, self-centered, loutish thrill-seeker who truly has no business in the latter field, and questionable competence in the former, given his record of hard-drinking and womanizing, at least during the time I associated with him from 1988-1990. Lest I be accused of self-righteousness in this regard, I have never pretended to sanctity, but have certainly interacted with Lear and the others mentioned herein with utmost integrity, while he has not hesitated to portray me publicly in a much different light. Because of the magnitude of the issues he has succeeded in forcing before the world's attention, I believe that it is long past the time when the public should know more of the truth about Lear which he has so desperately been attempting to conceal. I sincerely regret that I waited this long to bring it to their attention myself. For someone who has made such an effort to "wake up the masses" to the looming peril of takeover by "grey aliens from Zeta Reticuli," which he has claimed are ensconced in underground havens in the Nevada desert, the man has accomplished an even more masterful cover-up of the looming peril of martial law under the fascist masters he has willingly served for over two decades. The only reason I have reluctantly chosen not to publicize Lear's involvement in the activities I am about to disclose until now was that I had little doubt that his family would almost certainly suffer severe negative repercussions, particularly considering some of the principals involved. --- FD 1.99c * Origin: ParaNet Alpha-Delta The DATA Base (9:1012/3.0) Message #8541 - ASK_UFO Date : 05-Sep-91 13:20 From : Don Ecker To : All Subject : Part II "Spooks" Continued from last message. UFOs, Aliens and "Ex"-intelligence Agents Part II While a few concerned citizens are still asking "Where was George?" on October 19 and 20, 1980 when a shameful deal was being made in Paris with the Iranians to keep the American hostages until the precise moment Ronald Reagan was inaugurated, I am compelled by conscience to inform them more fully on those who handled the actual payoff. This payoff has been estimated by those in the know to ultimately total upwards of $82 billion in illegal weapons transfers over a period of nearly a decade. On a more personal level, I am also intent on making it clear to all concerned that I am aware of the threats Lear has been making -- including his obsession with having me killed, according to one mutual acquaintance. Since I made his threats public, he has claimed that I am a "Walter Mitty" who would like to flatter myself that someone cared enough to feel threatened by my disclosures. I believe, however, that Lear's fear has been genuine for some time that I will expose his complete fraudulence on the UFO issue, and his participation in such treasonous and criminal flight operations over a number of years. In this regard, it is almost a given that Lear might already have quietly made calls to his cronies in the "trade" to whine and snivel about the numerous secrets he bragged about to me. Have no doubt whatsoever, that any of these people would kill unhesitatingly to continue covering up many of the things Lear bantered about openly to me, though he was fully aware of my professional and political orientation from the very outset of our contact with each other. Continued Next. --- FD 1.99c * Origin: ParaNet Alpha-Delta The DATA Base (9:1012/3.0) Message #8542 - ASK_UFO Date : 05-Sep-91 13:21 From : Don Ecker To : All Subject : Part III "Spooks" Continued from last; ************************************************************** I have little doubt, however, that exposure of Lear's involvement in the operations I am about to describe will ultimately surface direct connections all the way into the highest levels of the U.S. Intelligence Community and beyond. *************************************************************** I believe it is no coincidence at all that Lear emerged from the shadows to start beating the UFO drum in early 1987 just in time to distract public attention from the Iran/Contra scandal which was beginning to unravel *************************************************************** It is also well worth noting that Robert Gates, the former Deputy Director of the CIA, whom Bush is again pushing for directorship after he was forced to withdraw in 1987 because of his unsavory connections with Casey and the diversion of Iranian funds to the contras, is the scion of Gates/Firestone, the company which bought out John's father's company, Lear-Siegler, at that time one of the largest defense contractors in the world. **************************************************************** Whatever thought I might have had about Lear's largesse quickly evaporated when I learned he had been cut out of his father's will, his father being Bill Lear, inventor of the Lear Jet and the 8- track stereo, the "Stormy Genius" who would perhaps have rivaled Howard Hughes himself, but for his own peculiar distractions. The reasons why Bill made and lost several fortunes, wives and girlfriends, and was later moved to cut John out of his will are the stuff of legend already, though I have my own suspicions. The bottom line was that, contrary to public opinion, John Lear was living from paycheck to paycheck at the time I met him in mid-1988 and was merely tooting the UFO horn for intellectual stimulation and to supplement his income slightly -- or so he claimed. ***************************************************************** Continued next message. --- FD 1.99c * Origin: ParaNet Alpha-Delta The DATA Base (9:1012/3.0) Message #8543 - ASK_UFO Date : 05-Sep-91 13:22 From : Don Ecker To : All Subject : Part IV "Spooks" And now onto Milton Cooper. ****************************************************************** Cooper, in particular, has had no qualms about calling friends of mine to threaten their lives over the phone in the middle of the night. They will verify that this took place, and you can actually obtain an audiotape of 10 such calls he made to two individuals who were attempting to help promote him -- I've included the ad in this report. According to mutual acquaintances, Lear has forged threatening notes and my signature on my letter to him, placed several messages on his answering machine offering my phone messages to him for sale, and most recently has discussed his obsession with luring me back to Las Vegas to kill me. ***************************************************************** THE TRUTH BETRAYED Cooper, meanwhile, has devoted nearly four pages of his recently released book to one lie after another about me concerning a rough, preliminary videotape I made three years ago concerning an aspect of the Kennedy assassination which he obtained from John Lear without my permission. He also claims that Lear fingered me as a CIA agent, and himself links me with best-selling authors Robert Groden and David Lifton as "agents of the Secret Government." ******************************************************************* The resulting 7th-generation video was intended to serve only as a preliminary research tool to spur potential investors to underwrite a thorough professional investigation into the theory that the driver of the presidential limousine, William Greer, actually turned around and fired the fatal shot at JFK with a handgun. As startling as this allegation might seem on first hearing, the two separate JFK researchers who first brought it to my attention -- Perry Adams and David Evans -- had each spent over 15 years in attempts to prove the charge. Adams and his research associate, Fred Newcomb, had actually written a 500-page manuscript entitled Murder From Within, documenting the theory in exhaustive detail. Evans had combed the entire 26-volumes of the Warren Commission and countless other sources to locate any potential references or supporting evidence, particularly photographic, to prove Greer's culpability. Although I no longer agree with them, I have nothing but respect for their selfless, dedicated and painstakingly thorough efforts to verify this crucial detail. Bill Cooper, on the other hand, is a Johnny-come-lately to the debate with the investigation skills of a P.T. Barnum and the scruples of a Vidkun Quisling. ***************************************************************** Without my knowledge, however, and completely contrary to our agreement that it would be kept private, Lear showed the tape numerous times publicly and gave a copy to Cooper, Nippon TV and God knows who else. I later learned from him and Don Ecker, a writer for UFO Magazine who attended the meeting, that when he had showed it (without permission, of course) to a meeting of former intelligence officers in Las Vegas in November 1988, four of them raised their hands when he asked if any of them would have killed John Kennedy if they had been so ordered! ***************************************************************** As I delve further into Hanssons book, I will excerpt further sections from the book for uploading. Don --- FD 1.99c * Origin: ParaNet Alpha-Delta The DATA Base (9:1012/3.0) EOF ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the best of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :-) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona KING George Bush?? Just say NO! UFO's in commercials....is the GOVT getting us ready for OCTOBER of 1992? From dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Tue Sep 8 14:41:17 1992 Path: igor.rutgers.edu!rutgers!jvnc.net!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!uunet!peora!tarpit!tous!bilver!dona From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy Subject: FILE: MILTON WILLIAM COOPER - Letter (LONG -39K) Message-ID: <1992Sep8.184117.17@bilver.uucp> Date: 8 Sep 92 18:41:17 GMT Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL Lines: 754 This is a letter that Bill Cooper's stooge, Timmy Bennett posted to the Fido UFO echo about 2 years ago. Cooper's letter was in response to remarks made by George Knapp during Knapp's interview of Bob Lazar. Knapp had earlier remarked that "Cooper wouldn't know truth if it jumped up and bit him on the ass." I've taken the liberty of cat'ing together both Bill English's and Mike Corbin's responses as they appeared on the Fido UFO echo right after this letter was posted. During this time, the original moderator of the echo, George Adam Stanislav was on vacation, so the echo ended up being just like the alt* newsgroups on Usenet..which is to say, that it was a free-for-all. It's my belief that because of the brouhaha that ensued during this period and all the charges that went flying about "who is a Govt agent", that it prompted Don Ecker to wrote his "Whistleblowers" piece on William Milton Cooper in the summer editions of UFO Magazine in 1990. In my opinion, Don did the definitive expose' on Cooper and I would highly recommend the articles that he wrote to anyone. Unfortunately, I don't have UFO Magazine's current address, but perhaps Mike Corbin who regularly reads this newsgroup may be able to post it. I post this every so often on the Fido UFO echo because of the continuous influx of "UFO newbies" who happen upon the standard Cooper text files available on many BBS's worldwide and who, believe every word of the text as the Gospel Truth. My opinion of the Cooper files is that if there's *any* grains of truth found in them it's largely because he's plagiarized them from other sources without giving due credit. Please notice I said "grains" of truth, as you will eat LOTS of rock salt before you arrive at the "grains". I would caution anyone getting into the Cooper material to take EXTREME CARE regarding his claims. Please note that "Uncle Milty" is awfully shifty when it comes down to his declarations on "MAJIC" , "MAJESTIC-12" and "MAJORITY-12" . Also bear in mind that this is the _same_ guy that claims that it was Greer (JFK's driver) that delivered the "killing shot" to JFK and who has made TONS of bucks fleecing the general public at his conventions selling poor quality and highly dubious versions of the Zapruder film. This is also the same guy that made claims to having seen the "Krill" files when Bill English put that LIE to rest a couple of years back. As a "bonus", I will tack on Bill English's own explanation on the "Krill" files at the end of this article. At any rate, and without further ado, I present a small slice of "Uncle Milty"... **** Begin Bill Cooper Letter via Timmy Bennett ************************ Message #8941 - UFO Date : 20-May-90 20:47 From : T.S. Bennett To : All Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp OPEN LETTER by Bill Cooper- TO MIKE CORBIN, GEORGE KNAPP, BILL MOORE, AND JOHN LEAR. I have been expecting the government to launch an attack designed to discredit me for 2 years and I have publicly stated that I expected this to happen. It has finally happened and what a relief. The governments cannon only went ....POOF.... It seems that all the buzzards except Moore and Friedman have gathered in Las Vegas. How convenient can it be? Mike Corbin, the all mighty high dictator of Paranet, has just this week posted a crippled and weak attack leveled against me by himself and George Knapp, Lear's man in television and the only journalist alive who would go out on a limb to support the phony story of Bob Lazar. As usual Mike Corbin and George Knapp did not bother to do any checking whatsoever to see if their ranting and raving could hold any water. Of course that is the usual policy of paranet and it is expected. It is not the policy of journalists, however, and George Knapp should have checked with me. If he was afraid to call me he could have just called my board and checked the facts for himself. It is George Knapp who wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass and it is Lazar and Lear who are liars and frauds. The Lazar story was reported to CAJI by a source in Las Vegas who stated that "Lazar had been arrested". The source was a man named Cory, a close friend of John Lear. Did he do it to set me up? I posted it in the newsletter. I then asked a member of CAJI to check the story for me and report the "facts". This was done and the story in the newsletter was changed to read that "Lazar was accused" only a few hours later and that is the way the story has been posted ever since as you can see since it is still posted. The members of this board can attest to that. Another source verified the story and all 3 mentioned that Bob Lazar has been accused of running a drug lab. Since these 3 people stated that Lazar was accused of running a drug lab I included it in the story. Since they stand by their statement I stand by the story. I wish to make it known at this point that John Lear told me that Lazar had a speed lab somewhere. Since I knew he had a jet car I thought he mean't something to do with the car. I did not make the REAL connection with that statement until Cory and others phoned the story to me. Two other people have stated to me that Lear told them that Lazar had a drug lab. I knew about the prostitution involvement a long time ago when at Lear's home I witnessed Lear, drunk as a skunk, call Lazar and ask him to send a hooker over. Lear asked us if we wanted a hooker. I told him not no, but hell no. The others present also declined. About an hour later a hooker showed up and lear and the girl disappeared for a while and then they came back. I did not see what transpired between them. There were 4 other people present besides me. She bummed cigarettes off of everone and chain smoked them until there were no more left among us and then she pulled out her own pack. John Lear paid her a wad of money and she left. All of us present were angry and embarrassed by Lear's behavior. Lazar sent her over and we all heard Lear make the call. Lazar and Lear are the end of George Knapp's career unless Knapp gets wise real fast and I mean real fast. I'm not the only one ready to spill the beans on Lazar and Lear. Message #8942 - UFO Date : 20-May-90 20:48 From : T.S. Bennett To : All Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp contd. Replies : -> #8943 You had better believe that I would never post this story if there had not been 4 other witnesses. Lear and Knapp have left me no choice. I have many more tales to tell and will not hesitate if I am forced to do it. I told Lear a long time ago (June 1989 to be exact) that he was safe as long as he didn't try to get any wilder with his story or try to mess with me. At that time I believed that he was doing more good than harm even though I knew he was Condor and was CIA all the way. That same weekend I was forced to remove a loaded, cocked, 45 cal. automatic pistol from Lear's possession after he placed it against his temple and threatened suicide. I did it once in the morning when we were alone and again the same evening in front of 5 others who witnessed the event. John pretended to be despondent because he was to much of a coward to sign his name to the "INDICTMENT" that I sent to Congress. I was not afraid John would kill himself. I was afraid he would kill me or someone else during the course of his ACT and it was an act. A stupid act and nothing else. I was not fooled but I kept the pistol for several days and still have the round that I removed from the chamber. I will name the witnesses if it becomes necessary. In case you have not learned anything yet let me assure you that you had better not screw around with me unless you are willing to go all the way to the wall and beyond because I'm ready to die to get to the bottom of this and force the truth out of the government. The preponderance of government agents involved in this and the fact that everything that I saw, and only what I saw, leaked, makes me believe that the technology is real (saw a craft with my own eyes) but aliens may be a complete fantasy. Aliens may be needed to create a new world order. No more Soviet enemy? Here is a threat from outer space. I feel used. I am very angry. I saw exactly what I said and more. Not only that but they have taken great pains to make sure I could see the same documents again just recently. Either the information I saw is absolutely correct or the government (with the help of Moore, Lear, Doty, Lazar, Friedman, Shandera, etc.) has created the greatest hoax in history in order to bring down national boundarys and ring in a one world government. I have uncovered the fact that an inventor made a saucer that flew in the 50's without alien help. I still believe that the information I saw between 1970 and 1973 is correct but I am now open to the possibility that I may have been used. I assure you that I will not be used again. The truth WILL come out. Lear's involvement with George Green and the Phoenix Journals to try to discredit me is what his phone recording is all about. I told him in June 1989 not to try any funny business with me and that is what the call was all about. He tried to help the great con the Phoenix Journals discredit me and I told him as a result that "I would crucify him". I have done that by finally releasing the information that he is Condor and as Condor has been working very closely with Moore, Shandera, Friedman, Doty, and others. I will continue to crucify him at any and every opportunity. I will also crucify anyone else who stands up against truth on this battle field. Message #8943 - UFO Date : 20-May-90 20:49 From : T.S. Bennett To : All Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp contd. Replies : #8942 <--> #8944 Ask him to play the entire tape and not just part of it out of context and you will see that this is the truth. He probably won't do it but you can try anyway. I have stated on many occassions that this is a war and I will act accordingly. The Stacy Borland story was reported to me by many people who called me by phone. I confirmed the story through a Las Vegas Psychologist. I repeat I received many phone calls all telling the same story regarding Stacy Borland. Whether she was murdered on a Saturday or on a Wednesday the next day or three weeks later has nothing to do with the subject of the story. The subject of the story was that a rumor floats around Las Vegas that someone from the test site gives Borland some documents, she is killed, Grace takes her place and members report that he is writing their names on what appears to be government forms labeled CONFIDENTIAL. Try as you might to cover up the important facts but you won't succeed. It is my opinion that she was given documents and that your group or the people you work for killed her. I know that MAJESTY TWELVE (also known as MAJORITY TWELVE) has killed before and most probably will kill again. Moore and Lear work for them. George Knapp states in his letter to Corbin that John Grace was appointed to take over the contactee group. The members of the group who have called me expressed anger and concern that his assumption of the leadership was totally against the wishes of the members. In fact if the reports are correct some of the groups members have left the group over this issue. Just exactly who appointed Grace over the protest of the members? Is it a democratic group or a Nazi group? I understand from the many calls that I have received that the members are not happy with the situation and the group is splintered. Cory and Jeff are only 2 of the sources for this information but both are friends of Lear's. Are they telling me the truth or is Lear setting me up? I believe they have told the truth as they knew it in every case. George Knapp really screwed up when he implied that I accused John Grace of murder. That is an outright lie. George Knapp is a liar. I said no such thing anywhere in the story (he calls himself a journalist?). I reported what was told to me by many sources and all that is required of a journalist is 2 sources. I am not a journalist and I did a better job than both Mike Corbin and George Knapp have done so far. Here are the facts. William Moore is a self confessed agent. No one can deny that. Only fools listen to Moore now. HE CONFESSED. Do you hear that George? Are you a fool or do you work for them? George Knapp you knew that Moore was a self confessed agent and you still used him in your series and in your 2 hour special. Why? During the 2 hour special you presented Moore as a credible prominent researcher. You made no mention that Moore had doctored documents and had admitted it. No mention was made that Moore had engaged in lying and passing out disinformation to other researchers. No mention was made that Moore had confessed to being an agent for an intelligence agency. You did not mention that Moore spied on researchers and submitted reports to his controller. Message #8944 - UFO Date : 20-May-90 20:50 From : T.S. Bennett To : All Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp contd. Replies : #8943 <--> #8945 WHY? Thats about the worst kind of journalism. It's irresponsible and it sucks. It says a lot about George Knapp. Why did George Knapp, experienced and hardened journalist, promote the Lazar story when every rule of journalism says not to do it. Why did Knapp swallow it hook line and sinker when the only thing backing Lazar up was his name in a phone book? Why did Knapp do everything short of jumping off a cliff to get the public to believe Lazar, even say on the air that he, Knapp, believed Lazar? That is something that no good journalist would ever do and is guaranteed to fetch a failing grade in any journalism class. I'll tell you why. George wasn't out to do good journalism. George Knapp, in my opinion, was either taken in by Lear or he works with Lear, Moore, Lazar, Friedman, Doty, Shandera, etc. Which is it George? There is more to George Knapp than meets the eye. He has a vested interest in attacking me. If I am right it could cost him his job and I guarantee you that I am right about both Lazar and Lear. Lazar is a fake and Lear is Condor. If Lear is Condor then that makes fools of everyone. No one likes to be a fool but most UFOlogists are exactly that. I keep saying to DO RESEARCH, TO INVESTIGATE, but no one does it. They just sit around and call each other names. You had better remember that I was the Executive Director of a College that taught security and law enforcement courses. Many of my faculty members were sargeants and leutenants on the police force. My personal bodyguard was the head of that department. I was also a member of Naval Security and Intelligence. Both Lear and Doty were easy to identify. A scrambled voice can be unscrambled. Didn't know that did you. I not only knew it but did it. I also had a voice print analysis done. The voice is John Lear's. You all think a man photographed in shadow is invisible don't you. Well, he is not. Try body measurement proportion comparison. In other words take a picture of John Lear and in the same pose as Condor and with the same body angle. Its easy as it is the normal posture of john Lear. The picture does not have to be to the same scale. I have several of him sitting and talking in the exact same position and the same angle. Take as many body measurements as you can and then compare them to each other. The more measurements and the more comparisons you can make the more positive the identification will be. I was able to make 19 different measurements and many times as many comparisons. Then do the same on the man in the shadow. THE VOICE IS JOHN LEAR AND THE BODY MEASUREMENT PROPORTION COMPARISONS MATCHED PERFECTLY IN EVERY INSTANCE. It's really very easy. Anyone can master the technique. You will only have to fork out money for the voice print analysis. Most of you are to cheap to do it and George Knapp has a vested interest in AVOIDING IT AT ALL COSTS. I challenge George Knapp to stop taking Lear's word that he is not Condor and do some real investigative reporting. Lear insists that Condor is Bob Collins. Bob Collins physic is no where near Condor's but Lear fits perfectly. Get wise Knapp your whole life is on the line here. Do you work for Lear or what? Are you part of the awareness group too? Are you a traitor? Message #8945 - UFO Date : 20-May-90 20:51 From : T.S. Bennett To : All Subject : Cooper answers Corbin/Knapp contd. Replies : #8944 <- I have known that Lear is an agent ever since February of 1972 and I have confided that in not 1 or 2 people but in probably 12 or 13 people and maybe more than that over the last several years. I am sure that most of them will confirm it if the need arises. Bob Swan also knows it. In the "Secret Government" I stated that I saw Moore, Friedman, and Maccabee on a list of agents to be recruited ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHERS THAT I DID NOT NAME AND IT IS STATED IN THAT PAPER. I told Lear that I saw his name on the list several days before MUFON. My wife was present and heard the entire conversation. Lear wasn't able to look me in the eye. The people helping him get MUFON organized wondered why I was not at Lear's home helping them and that is why. Lear stayed far away from me the whole time and even kept aloof from everyone else also. He was terrified that I would reveal him along with Moore, Friedman, and Maccabee. Lear gave himself away when he and Grace wrote the Krill papers. He is just like Moore. He throws truth mixed with lies out and then laughs at the public. Lear knows all about O.H. Krlll, the real one, and he got caught by me. O.H. Krlll exposed Lear not me. Anyone and everyone who has worked with this information knows he blew it. He honestly thought that no one else knew the truth. I played him just like I played Moore and I caught him just like I caught Moore. Lear KNOWS EVERYTHING. It's an old trick and Strieber is using it now with his book MAJESTIC. Now if anyone comes out with anything from GRUDGE about Forestall or the Roswell crash you will all say he stole it from Strieber. Sorry boys but it won't work anymore. People are sick of lies, deception and traitors and we are all sick of you. Lear showed me a copy of a 2 inch thick book written by employees of the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory which is a very thorough parody of the "YELLOW BOOK". I pretended that I did not know what it was and Lear had a great time. I did recognize an old friend who works at Livermore Lab and it has turned out good for me. The friend is one who put together a ......... trip to the ........ of the ............. ............ of the ...... and I helped him prepare. Filling in the blanks would reveal his identity. I told Lear at the time that I knew one of the authors of the parody. The man owed me. Since his name was in the parody I knew that he had seen the real "YELLOW BOOK". That knowledge has been very useful. THIS CONCLUDES MY EXCERPT OF BILL COOPER'S ANSWER. IT SHOULD PROVIDE THE ANSWER TO MEALY MOUTHS WHO STAND IN THE CORNER AND TRY TO DISCREDIT PERSONS WITH HONEST OPINIONS. THERE ARE ALSO ENOUGFH FACTS CONTAINED IN THESE WORDS TO THOROUGHLY CHECK OUT THE SIMPS WHO ARE TRYING TO PULL THE WOOL OVER EVERYBODY'S EYES. CIAOU!!!!! T.S. ******* End of Cooper Letter ******************************************* ******* Begin English-->>Cooper response ******************************* Message #7110 "UFO" Date: 24-May-90 15:01 From: Bill English To: All Subj: Bill Cooper Well....what do you say about someone who is obviously mentally deranged? Hmmm...Bill Cooper has quite literally gone too far this time. In fact farther than he has ever gone before, which is unfortunate because at one time I had a certain amount of respect for the man. Now all I can honestly say I feel is pity and a certain amount shame. Not for myself mind you, but for Cooper's continuing to embarass himself and show just how ill he really apparently is. Bill needs help...I am sure that the majority of you who have followed the Cooper saga will agree that at one point it seemed that there may have been a certain amount of truth to what he was saying, but over a period of time it became apparent that his were the ravings of a man caught in the throes of a severe and debilitating ilness that has gone out of control. Those of you who know me, know that I never hesitate to speak my mind. Sometimes to the dismay of my friends who attempt to keep me in check when I become extremely upset over an issue that I feel passionately about, and many are the times when my friends accuse me of being a loose cannon. But in all honesty I don't think any of them can say that I have ever tried to deliver as facts the kind of stuff that keeps issuing forth from Cooper. This last tirade of his on the Echo has gone beyond the bounds of propriety, but in all fairness to Cooper we have to remember that this message that we have read here in the echo was not loaded here by Cooper. Apparently the message was placed on Cooper's own BBS and our good friend T.S. Bennett took it upon himself to load it into the FidoUFO Echo. So to a certain extent Bill Cooper is as much a victim as those that he seems intent upon accusing. BUT THAT STILL DOES NOT EXCUSE HIM! Although I have not had much contact with John Lear since the 1989 MUFON conference in Las Vegas, I like to think of John as a friend since it was his encouragement that brought me out of hiding two years ago, and back into active research. During the course of our friendship I have come to know and understand a little bit about John and what motivates him for the most part in his research and work. I also know and sympathise with him over the difficulties that he has encountered while trying to continue that work. And so that you understand that I am not trying to patronize him, I do not necessarily agree with everything that he says, but only because I have not devoted enough time to researching nor studying his work or findings. But I do respect him. And because of the limited knowledge that I do have of him, I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt the Cooper's charges and allegations are the most ridiculous that I have ever heard him come out with. I have met John's wife and kids, and I have seen John's devotion to them. The allegation that John would call a whore to come out to his home, and that he supposedly did it with a number of witnesses there in the room. HORSESHIT! I cannot speak to the charges concerning Bob Lazar, nor can I speak to the charges made by Cooper about George Knapp. I have spoken to Knapp very briefly concerning the open letter by Cooper, and his response is to say the least, was less than complimentary toward Cooper. My refusal to speak to these charges comes not from any animousity toward these gentlemen, but more because I understand that in Mr. Lazar's case there are issues that we are not fully aware of, and that these issues must become evident before a final opinion or analysis can be made. This does not mean that I am taking a position re: the Lazar case, nor am I taking a position with regard to John Lear's material nor his hypothesis. I am however taking a position with regards to Bill Cooper. It is my opinion, based upon my own knowledge and experiences, which have been documented, and which I have said from the very beginning could well be mis-information, that Mr. Milton William Cooper has never seen ANY documentation similar to or the same as that documentation I claimed to have seen in the form of Grudge/Blue Book Report #13. It is further my opinion that Mr. Cooper having read "Bill Steinman's Book, UFO Crash at Aztec" and appendix number 7 in which I play a prominent part, believed that he could lay claim to having seen the same material --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) * Origin: UFINET News BBS, (505)437-7198, (123/4.2) (86:9010/14) Message #7111 "UFO" Date: 24-May-90 15:24 From: Bill English To: All Subj: Bill Cooper/part2 without fear of being refuted since it was believed at the time of the books writing, that I was dead, and that they would be know one who could be qualified to refute his claims. It is further my opinion and belief that when it became apparent to a great many people, John Lear being the first to realise this, that Bill Cooper was a fraud, he immediately went on the attack attempting to discredit these same individuals with false statements, that were designed to bring into question their moral turpitude and standards, and their voracity. Additionally he began to take a very tragic death of a person well respected in the Field of UFO research, and subvert it from it true and tragic nature to the point of accusing government involvement and the involvement of those individuals who in point of fact were on his list of enemies. Among them John Lear, Mike Corbin, George Knapp and several others. I personally have proven Bill Cooper to be a liar. I proved this on the Billy Goodman Radio show when after Cooper got on the show and attacked me personally, accusing me of having called him and telling him that someone tried to kill me upon my return trip from the 1989 MUFON convention in Las Vegas, Billy invited me to appear on his show to present my evidence. During the course of Cooper's diatribe he stated that Len Stringfield and I appeared together on a radio show and that Len confronted me with this and I denied it. When I appeared on the Goodman show, I knew that Cooper would call and try to discredit me further, but I was ready for him. Prior to appearing on the show, I contacted Len Stringfield, whom I have known for sometime, and asked him to send a signed notarised statement which refuted everything Cooper had said. When Cooper called he re-interated everything he had said previously and then I had Goodman open the envelope that I had sent him containing the statement and had him read it on the air. The Statement refuted everything that Cooper had said. Ladies and gentlemen, I realise that the echos are not the place for this kind of thing, but it is my feeling and opinion that you should be made aware of certain facts concerning the players of this drama. Based on my own knowledge, and based on my own personal experiences Cooper is a danger to the serious research of Aerial Phenomenon and all of it's related fields. He tries to cause panic and fear based upon half truths and out and out lies..the public loves to be scared and this is something that he is aware of and is constantly capitalising on. Just recently he appeared in Scottsdale Arizona to give a speech and during the course of that speech came out with the statement that John Lear was Bill Moore's Falcon on that "UFO cover-up Live" travesty. What utter horse shit! If ever there was a disinformation agent in our midst, it's Bill Cooper! I remain Respectfully yours, Bill English --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) * Origin: UFINET News BBS, (505)437-7198, (123/4.2) (86:9010/14) Message #7112 "UFO" Date: 24-May-90 17:50 From: Bill English To: Bill Cooper Subj: YOU ARE A DANGER Bill, you've gone too far this time..It has become apparent that you are in serious need of professional help of some type. The charges and allegations that you have leveled are absolute hog wash. You say you have witnesses? Trot them out sir! Or is this like the tape that you were supposed to have had of me calling you while I was intoxicated. I gave you every opportunity to trot that out and play it on Adventure Radio, even to the point of signing a release giving you permission to do so, so that you could prove that I was a drunkard and a liar. Instead sir you neither produced the tape nor did you appear on the Radio Show the following night. Several weeks later I appeared on Billy Goodman's Radio Show knowing full well that you would call to try and salvage what little reputation you had. I burned you there on that one by producing a sworn affidavit from Len Stringfield stating that none of what you had claimed previously on his show was true, thereby proving you to be a liar once again. What galls me more than anything is the fact that I keep nailing you and you keep trying to drag everyone else down with you thinking that nobody sees what is happening. Bill it is my considered opinion and feeling that you are in serious need of help, and that YOU are the disinformation agent here, and that you are jeopardizing the serious work and research that the rest of us are trying to do by creating a negative public image of the whole field. The difference between me and John and the rest of those that you have name in you horse-shit allegations is the fact that they seem to just consider the source and blow it off, while I will go for the eggs and you know it...Want to go for round three??? I'm ready and waiting...BTW Bill, when you went AWOL for eight days in Hawaii what was the reason...were you on a drunken binge or what? Bill English --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) * Origin: UFINET News BBS, (505)437-7198, (123/4.2) (86:9010/14) ****** End of English-->Cooper response ******************************* ****** Begin Corbin/Paranet-->>Cooper response ************************ Message #6768 "UFO" Date: 19-May-90 18:19 From: Michael Corbin To: All Subj: T.S. Bennett To All: In the absence of the echo moderator, George Adam Stanislav, who, in my opinion, is doing a poor job of moderating this conference, I wanted to get a few things clear regarding the incoherent and attacking messages that have been posted by T.S. Bennett, a person who is in the service of William Cooper. It is truly a shame that Mr. Bennett and Mr. Cooper have to use this echo as a stage for the attack against ParaNet. It has absolutely nothing to do with the good people that use this conference, and I apologize for the inconvenience that it has caused to all of you. As we all know, UFOlogy has suffered at the hands of people like Bill Cooper and T.S. Bennett, for if there opinions and research really did hold water, they would not have to hide behind a screen of beligerence and unrest to get their points across. After all, should the truth need any support or a sales pitch? NO! The truth stands on its own despite what you or I might say. And, despite what Mr. Cooper has said from the security of Mr. Bennett's skirt, ParaNet is not a belief system. We are a clearinghouse of information, and are comprised of skeptics and believers. That is the true beauty of ParaNet. We do not "censor" anyone who wishes to speak nor do we control information or the other things that have been told here in this echo. We are not "government agents." We are being censored in a fashion by the unreasonable attacks being leveled against us, and we are being kept from disclosing useful information to the general public by Mr. Bennett taking up precious echomail traffic by attacking everything we say or do. To set the record straight I wish to disclose the full reason that T.S. Bennett and his cohort, Bill Cooper were banned from ParaNet. Actually, part of the reason has already been disclosed in deeds as Mr. Bennett's postings speak for the record -- they are postings that are meaningless and cause disruption of the flow of normal traffic. They are attacking and state nothing in the way opinion, but are advanced as pure fact. When someone disagrees or asks for more information, they go off on a tangent of screaming that everyone against them is a government agent. ParaNet was the first network to break the MJ-12 story. We were the first public forum where Bill Cooper and John Lear came to distribute their information. Bill Cooper has stated publicly that he cannot prove none of his claims. He has also stated that we censored him by barring him from the network. Censoring, no -- Barring from the network, yes. Censoring implies that all information, opinions or facts are suppressed and not made public. This is a reasonable definition. ParaNet still carries the Bill Cooper material on its BBS network and has not stopped carrying it at anytime. Instead, we attempted to verify his information by making an independent investigation and by asking Bill to furnish more information. When discrepancies were encountered and Bill was presented with them, he launched into a barrage of attacking everyone on ParaNet that felt more information was needed. All useful discussion broke down into shouting matches and caused a serious problem for our users. After many requests by our users to do something, we warned Bill to cease his attacks. This only escalated them and we had to ban him from the network. This was not the only time. After many months, we allowed him back on and shortly after that Bill again denegrated the quality of the conference and we banned him again. This time it is for good. As for Mr. Bennett, we also had the same type of problem, only his infringement of policy could have caused a lawsuit for the network. He made an attack on Mr. English that was very libelous. However, this was after many warnings about posting advertisements that were not authorized and personal attacks against members of the network. None of the actions that have been taken against Cooper or Bennett have been unreasonable and without first, several attempts to rectify the situation. We also have a policy that deals with deliberate disinformation. ParaNet encourages the free exchange of opinions on its network. It is the mainstay of what our network is all about. However, when a person engages in the distribution of information that is patently false or unverifiable, we feel an obligation to the public to state so. We also will not tolerate any attacks against the U.S. Government that are without substance. We are Americans and damn proud of it. If there is anything that needs to be corrected, we have the methodology as prescribed by the Constitution of the United States to do it. Our ancestors have fought for this protection. There are avenues also available to us through Congress and other means that are prescribed by law to get access to UFO information. Anything not obtained legally is not of interest to us. We must engage in critical thinking regarding the UFO phenomenon and must not allow ourselves to be taken in by all of the "conspiratorial material" that is so prevalent today. Until there is evidence of what these guys are claiming to be fact, I will not personally subscribe to it. In closing, ParaNet is a public service. There has never been a more UFO oriented electronic network like it. Our credibility is high as is our reliability. When you read something on ParaNet, you can be assured that it was checked out and verified to the extent possible. If it cannot be verified, we make no bones about it -- we tell everyone. I would heartily suggest that we get on with business and make our protestations known to the echo moderator that we are tired of this senseless assault from Cooper and Bennett. I am preparing to file a formal complaint within FidoNet against Mr. Moderator and the BBS which has allowed Bennett unrestricted access to the conference until he can clean up his act and behave like an adult. If he has something of value to say against ParaNet, I am prepared to meet him toe-to-toe to answer any and all allegations. ParaNet is preparing a file regarding the Cooper material. We will be happy to post it for everyone to see. This file will contain all message exchanges between members of ParaNet and Bill Cooper up to the times that he was banned from the network. It is most interesting. Michael Corbin Administrator/Owner ParaNet Information Service --- ZMailQ 1.10 @1:30163/0.0 * Origin: ParaNet Omicron (sm) 717-588-7549 (1:268/102) ***** End Corbin/Paranet--->>Cooper response ******************************* ***** Begin English on Krill papers **************************************** (7245) Thu 21 Mar 91 10:55p By: Bill English To: All Re: Krill files St: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- During the past several weeks there have been a number of questions concerning the infamous "Krill Papers". At the advise of John Hicks (363/29) I am posting this information concerning the documents in question. 1) The "Krill Papers" were and are a fraud. John Lear and John Grace of Nevada authored these papers and uploaded them to a Paranet Board originally to see just how gullable the UFO investigative community really was. Much to the credit of Paranet and Mike Corbin, it was quickly determined that the documents were in fact fraudulent. As a result of this both John Lear and John Grace were barred from Paranet and several other UFO related Echos. While I don't agree with the methods employed by John, I do understand his reasoning for this. 2) In one respect the fraud perpetrated by John Lear and John Grace had the effect of proving that at least one so called researcher of of some renoun was in fact a fraud himself. I am of course refering to William Cooper. John was listening to Cooper give and interview to one of the local news media when he over heard Cooper state that while serving in the Navy he in fact viewed the Krill Papers. John approached and questioned Cooper about this knowing that the Krill Papers and the information in them was faked. Cooper stuck to his story and decided that John was his enemy. Especially after John pointed out to him that the Krill Papers were faked. As a result of this Cooper went on a rampage and did everything that he could to discredit Lear and several others. 3) For those of you just coming onto the UFO scene, it is imperative that you understand that one of the many problems that are inherent to the UFO research field is that information sometimes get spread out so quickly without proper dissemination. As a result of this it becomes factual without basis. PLEASE...PLEASE...don't take everything you read on these databases as being the absolute truth without first checking with others and most importantly checking your sources...We all get burned from time to time...including myself as evidenced by the SS433 fiasco. But we are the ones who some day may be looked upon as the true heroes of our time. At least I hope so..A lot of us have lost so much because of what we do here... Bill English *** End of file *********************************************************** Epilogue: This was over 2 years ago..since then, Bill English has disappeared from the public and pretty much given up on UFOlogy. I had the occasion to spend some time with him at his last speaking engagement at a UFO convention in Orlando, Fl in 1991. It's my opinion that Bill disappeared due to threats/coercion by the Govt lackeys who had managed to re-unite him with his first wife prior to his last speaking engagement. If any of you know of his story, then you would know that he was spirited away from his original family some years back by the Govt/military while he was on duty in England and was not allowed to talk or see them since his viewing of the sensitive "Grudge" materials. He had finally re-married and had kids prior to his last speaking engagement, and told me right before he came to Orlando that the Govt/military had brought over his *first* wife and family to re-unite him as he had not seen them in several years. My belief is that he was threatened, based upon what he told me and that the Orlando engagement was to be his last. Apparently it was, since we have not seen nor heard from him since. It's a tragic story. I understand now, that Bill Cooper no longer runs his CAJI BBS but is alledged to be involved with a satellite program now. Don -- -* Don Allen *- // Only | Tavistock + Esalen = "New Age" Internet: dona@bilver.uucp \X/ Amiga | Rothschild + Rockefeller = FED UUCP: .uunet!peora!bilver!vicstoy!dona | UN + Maitreya = "Twilight Zone" "A democracy cannot be both ignorant and free" - Thomas Jefferson From locatech@tron.gun.de (Jrg Lhn) Sun Sep 6 16:37:00 1992 Path: igor.rutgers.edu!rutgers!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!easix!tron.gun.de!locatech From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Jrg Lhn) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: The text... (Aliens on Earth) Message-ID: <15819066097@tron.gun.de> Date: 6 Sep 92 20:37:00 GMT Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany Lines: 240 Now I send some information on aliens which I've received as a text-file from an german BBS. I think that USENET ist the best way to publish it. In some of your messages in ALIEN/VISITORS I saw that some facts are already known. e.g. JFK was killed by the MJ-12. More about Kennedy in this file. I had to divide it in 4 parts to post it... PART1: What follows is a transcript of a 45 minute lecture that I attended on 11-17-89 at the "Whole Life Expo." in Los Angeles, California. Speaking was Mr. Milton William Cooper who I first became acquainted with through a text file I downloaded from a local computer BBS. The file dealt with the subject of UFO's and our government's concealment of the truth about them in such a way that it made a lasting impression on me, which is why I attended his lecture; to learn more. Please forgive my probable misspelling of some of the proper names in the transcript which follows and allow that I have taken it as best I could, word-for-word, from a less than acceptable micro-cassette recording. If you are as moved by what you are about to read as I was in hearing it first hand, I ask that you please spread it as far and wide as possible. Upload it to every BBS in your reach and please, don't change anything. Also, please give considerable thought to Mr. Cooper's suggestions as to what we all can do to see that this information is confirmed by our government to make them stop what they are up to. Thank you, and now, Milton Cooper: "For those of you who don't know who I am, I was raised in a military family. My family, my ancestors, since they came to this country, have been government people. We have served in the military, we have been patriots, we have fought in all the wars, we care about this country and believe in the constitution of the United States. We know, as many people don't know, that the Constitution of the United States of America IS the United States of America! And that's why we've always been ready ...to do the things needed ...to preserve and protect it." "When I left home I went into the Air Force, the Strategic Air Command. As a child I'd heard stories from my father and pilots, other pilots, my father was a pilot, about Foo Fighters, UFO's, strange craft that were not made on this Earth. And as a kid, you hear that in passing, and it's neat, and you giggle about it, and you go out and play "Space Man", and you forget it." "When I was in the Air Force I met men who had participated in alien crashed-craft recoveries. Now this intrigued me, it interested me, but it was usually after quite a few bottles of beer that these stories would come out, and sometimes the next morning I couldn't remember what the heck the guy said." "When I left the Air Force I went into the Navy, and this is where everything began to happen for me. I had originally intended to just go from service to service and do something that very few people have ever done before. I was a very adventurous, very crazy ...young man, and I thought that that would be a pretty exciting life. I volunteered for submarines, and while on the submarine U.S.S. Tyroot, SS-416, on a transit between the Portland/Seattle area and Pearl Harbor, which was our home port; the Pearl Harbor sub base, as the port lookout I saw a craft, saucer-shaped, the size of a Midway class carrier, aircraft carrier, for those of you who don't know how big that is; it's huge, come up out of the water approximately 2 1/2 nautical miles off the port bow, which is about 45 degrees to the left of the pointy end of the submarine. It tumbled slowly on its own axis, and went up into the clouds. It appeared to be moving slowly to me at a distance of 2 1/2 nautical miles, but in reality it was moving pretty fast because it came up out of the water, did a few tumbles and it was gone!" "I then reported it to the officer of the deck. I didn't tell him what it was that I saw because my Daddy didn't raise no fools and in case nobody else saw it I didn't want to be the only looney onboard the ship. So I asked the officer of the deck to help me cover that area, and he did, which is common for officers and lookouts to help each other while on bridge watch because they all hang together if something bad happens. After a few seconds of watching, the same craft, or another craft exactly like it, came down out of the clouds, tumbled again on its own axis, and went into the water. Ensign Ball, who was the officer of the deck, was literally shocked! What could I say? Seaman Dejeralimo, who was the starboard lookout, had also witnessed this, and ensign Ball called the captain to the bridge who was followed by the chief quartermaster who brought a 35MM camera, and we watched for between 7 and 10 minutes the same craft, or different craft that looked exactly alike, enter and leave the water. It was an incredible show. I don't know if they knew we were there, or if they even cared, but the craft did not glow, they were metal, they were machines without a doubt, they were obviously intelligently guided, they were HUGE, and having been in the Air Force and the Navy and knowing what it takes, I knew without a doubt, and know it today, that that machine was not made on the face of this Earth. Because there's nothing that man can make, that can fly through the air at a speed like that, tumble on its own axis, and enter the water and effectively fly beneath the sea." "If you've ever been aboard an airplane and then gone aboard a submarine, I know there's probably some of you in this room who have visited a submarine at one time or another, you can readily see just without even any of the technicalities involved how difficult such a thing would be to do. Where would it be built, that size? It was absolutely incredible. It changed my life because then all the stories that I'd heard all my life I knew were true, and I began seeing the world in a different light." "It wasn't long after that I was trained by Naval security in intelligence. I was sent to Viet Nam. I was assigned as a patrol boat captain, first in DaNang harbor, given a crew, given a multi-million dollar patrol boat. My job was to gather intelligence from the people who lived around the harbor and the fishermen who transited the harbor, and maintain the safety and security of the harbor and the shipping. After about 5 months I was sent up North to the DMZ, to a place called Qua Vieaf [sp], on the Tacan [sp] river. Our base camp was at the river mouth. We were only 3 miles South of the North Vietnamese border and our job was to patrol the Tacan river from the river mouth to Dang Ha[sp], and then up the Quang Tree [sp] cutoff to Quang Tree city, again to get to know the people on the bank, gather intelligence, and to patrol every night and maintain the safety and security of the river and the river traffic." "It was while there that I discovered that there was a tremendous amount of UFO and alien activity in Viet Nam. It was always reported in official messages as 'enemy helicopters.' Now any of you who know anything about the Viet Nam war know that the North Vietnamese did not have any helicopters, especially after our first couple of air raids into North Viet Nam. Even if they had they would not have been so foolish as to bring them over the DMZ because that would have insured their demise. Our troops were fired on occasionally by these 'enemy helicopters,' enemy troops were fired on occasionally by these 'enemy helicopters,' and occasionally people would disappear. And on one instance that I know for sure at least one entire village disappeared one night due to alien activity. The reason they used the term 'enemy helicopters' in messages and dispatches was that in Viet Nam you could be overrun at any time, no matter where you where. They did not bring crypto encoding equipment into Viet Nam, I'm talking about the machinery. What we did is we had crypto tables, and once we every 24 hours those codes would be no good. So that's what we used. We also, because of the inability to use crypto transmitting equipment, had to devise code words such as 'enemy helicopters.'" "When I left Vietnam I was eventually attached to the headquarters staff of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet at Macalappa, [sp] Hawaii, which is a little hill overlooking Pearl Harbor, it's a beautiful white building up there, and I was specifically attached to the Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet." "It was during this tour of duty that, in the course of my duties, documents were placed in my hands that were so unbelievable and so incredible that it took me quite a while to adjust to the fact that what I was seeing was real. Now for those of you who don't understand how I could come to see this information let me give you a little short course in security clearance and "the need to know" and how you get to see classified information if you're in the military or in the government, it doesn't matter which, the rules are the same." "Number one you need a security clearance, and you've got to have clearance at the level that the information you want to see is classified at. In this instance it was classified 'Top Secret, Magic, Restricted Information,' which I came to find out later is the highest security classification in the Nation. To get that type of clearance, all you have to have is a Federal Bureau of Investigation background check, which takes about six months and they send federal agents to your home, to your old schools, to all your teachers, to your friends, to everybody you put down on your security clearance forms, to all your old addresses, your neighbors, everybody that you've worked for, and it's embarrassing because they don't tell them what they're checking on. They just show them their identification and start asking questions and that's when you find out who's your friend and who's not, because a lot of people get scared and think, 'Bill just robbed a bank and I'm not talkin' to him anymore.'" "Now once you get that it's called a 'B.I.' and for those of you who have received a copy of my service record look on the first page, the DD-214 where it says 'Security Clearance,' you will see the term 'B.I.' That's a 'Bureau of Investigation' clearance. Now at that point, you have the clearance for everything including Top Secret and above. What determines what you get to see is your need to know, and the job that you have determines what your need to know is." "I was assigned to the Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet, who had to know everything concerning his area of operations which was one-half of the Earth's surface; the Indian ocean, the Pacific ocean, and all the land masses in between. Believe it or not, if we go to war, if we ever go to war, it's the United States Navy that strikes the first blow and attempts to keep the enemy at bey while we can get ourselves together, at least historically. Nuclear weapons have kind of done away with that concept, but military commanders like to talk about it anyway." "Because of this, and you have no conception of the amount of material and information that an area commander has to know, it's unbelievable, and he has to keep track of this, he has to keep on top of it. He has to know what's happening, he has to make the right decisions. Because it's almost humanly impossible for anyone to do that, they have what's called a briefing team, and it's our job to make sure that he has the correct information, all the time, on a 24 hour basis. And every morning, between 8 and 9 AM, we would give a briefing which covered everything that happened in the previous 24 hours, and everything scheduled to happen in the next 24 hours, and all the pertinent intelligence reports that we had received since the last briefing that he needed to know and that his staff members needed to know. Occasionally we would get messages marked 'Top Secret, Magic, Restricted Information,' and it would be coded in such a way that all you had were answers to questions which you didn't know what the questions were so you really didn't know what the message was all about." "But eventually I found myself in possession, holding two documents; one called 'Project Grudge,' another one called 'Operation Majority.' Project Grudge contained the history of alien involvement since around 1936, and it began talking about Germany's involvement with a crashed disk that they had recovered in 1936 and were attempting to duplicate the technology. They were not successful despite what all these Nazi hunters want to tell you. If they had been successful, we would not have won the war, because you cannot beat those weapons! You cannot outfly those craft, you can't even think about it with conventional aircraft. If Germany had been successful, we would now have a German flag up in front of this podium." "They did make some headway. When we went into Punta Mundy [sp] we captured documents, we got some scientists, we got some hardware. The Russians also got some documents, some scientists, and some hardware. It wasn't until 1947 that we were able to capture a craft, a whole craft, not all together but it was everything. And that occurred near the city of Roswell, New Mexico. There were dead aliens recovered from the craft. In Project Grudge I saw photographs of these dead aliens, of the craft, I saw photographs of live aliens, I saw photographs of autopsies, internal organs, I saw photographs of the alien designated 'E.B.'[or Ebe] which was held in captivity from 1949 until June the 2nd, 1952 when he died. I saw the history of what they had been able to at that time put together, from incidents in the 1800's which involved aliens and their craft." "I saw the names of projects. I saw a project that was to fly recovered alien craft that had been recovered intact and undamaged, and some of them were recovered intact and undamaged, and how that happened I have no idea. It was called 'Project Red-light,' and first was conducted from the Tonopah test range in the Nevada test sight and then was moved to a specially built area, ordered built by president Eisenhower, called 'Area-51,' code named 'Dreamland,' in the Groom [sp] dry lake area of the Nevada test sight, by secret executive order. It doesn't exist officially, if you ask anyone, or if you write letters to the government they will tell you it doesn't exist. However if you go out there at several places and see it, fly outside the boundaries and look down and see it, you know it's there, but according to the government it doesn't exist." > You'll see part 2 after my next netcall... ## net_sh v1.4 (sb) SYSTEM-MSG: Go directly to jail, do not pass 'GO', do not collect $400. From locatech@tron.gun.de (Jrg Lhn) Mon Sep 7 06:10:00 1992 Path: igor.rutgers.edu!rutgers!jvnc.net!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!uunet!mcsun!Germany.EU.net!unidui!flyer!easix!tron.gun.de!locatech From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Jrg Lhn) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: The text (part 2) Message-ID: <15867858347@tron.gun.de> Date: 7 Sep 92 10:10:00 GMT Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany Lines: 250 PART 2: "The project to fly, test fly these craft, was ongoing until sometime in 1962 when a craft blew up not far from the test sight, in the air, and the explosion was seen over a three state area. The pilots were killed, they had no idea what had happened or why the craft blew up, but they put Project Redlight on hold until a later date when the aliens supplied us with 3 craft and personnel to help us learn how to fly these craft. That project is ongoing and we now have not only alien craft that we are flying, we have craft we have built, using the captured technology, and some of the UFO's that people report seeing in the United States, and maybe even elsewhere, are flown by United States personnel." "That may come as a shock to you. We have technology way beyond the limits of what we have been told. A lot of our development technologically, since the end of World War II, has been due to the exchange of technology which occurs in the area called 'Area-51' on a regular basis ...ongoing." "When James Oberth, professor Oberth retired, many of you don't know who he is ...not too many space people in here. Professor Oberth was probably one of the greatest rocket scientists and space commentists that ever lived. When he retired, the government gave him a special award, there was a press conference, all kinds of ceremony, and when he got up to speak he said, 'Gentlemen,' and I quote professor Oberth, he said, 'Gentlemen, we cannot take credit for all the technological developments that we have had in the last decade. We have had help,' and that's where he stopped." "One of the reporters raised his hand and said, 'Professor Oberth, can you tell us what other country helped us?'" "He said, 'It was those little guys from out in space,' and then he got down and and would not comment any further. Now this occurred in 1959. I can go on and on but time doesn't allow it." "I will tell you ladies and gentlemen that there are all kinds of things going on all the time, we are making rapid progress in exposing this. Since I have begun talking, people have been coming out of the woodwork at a rapid rate, who know and have pieces of this puzzle, and are helping us to put it together, because I don't have all the answers. I saw an awful lot of material, I have remembered an awful lot of it, I have probably, in my remembering, made some mistakes, and I guarantee you they're minor ones, if I have." "We have just recently, for those of you who didn't believe that the Jason Society of the Jason Scholars, the secret group existed, we now have a letter from the Pentagon, with 51 names of the Jason Scholars, an admission from the Pentagon that they hold the highest security clearances in the nation, an admission from the Pentagon that they hold the protocol rank of Rear Admiral, and are treated as such on any military installation or in any government office. There are 6 Nobel Prize winners on that list, there are the elite of the elite of the scientific world, they are the only ones who really know the truth about the technology today and about the real science of physics, because the one that we're being taught all the time... If you send your kids to college to learn physics you're wasting your money because they're teaching them stuff that doesn't work, it's not true, it's not real. Gravity is not what we think it is. There IS a Unified Theory! We already know what it is, it's what makes these craft work. It's absolutely incredible what's going on." "How many of you keep up with Billy Goodman's show on KVEG out of Las Vegas? For those of you who don't, I would try tuning in on any night between 10:00 PM and 1:00 AM. It's 840 on your AM dial, and the subject every night are those subjects that no other media person in the United States will touch with a 10 foot pole, every single night except Saturday night. It's the only show that you can call in and talk to another caller, you've got 3 minutes to say whatever you want to say as long as you don't cuss or swear or slander anyone, and every night they're helping to expose this." "When John Lear and I first said what was going on out at Groom Lake everybody said, 'You're nuts, there's nothing going on out at Groom Lake!' The listeners of the Billy Goodman radio show put together an excursion and went up to Groom Lake and they all, ever since, every night, they go up there and watch them test fly the alien craft ...every night! The first night they had 100 people there. And 100 people saw 4 alien craft fly, doing things that no airplane and no helicopter can do. Now they don't tell us anymore that there's nothing happening at Groom Lake. What they tell us now is there's no such thing as aliens, it's all government secret projects. That's okay because we'll prove that wrong too eventually, it just takes awhile. Because where we WERE ...it's not where we're AT, and I'm really happy about that." "Now, if you want to see what's happening right now, keep watching your movies, keep watching your television commercials, your alien programs on television, read Whitley Streeper's 'Majestic' which is a part of the contingency plan called 'Majestic' to test the reaction of the population to the presence of aliens on the Earth. And I have just finished my study of Whitley Streeper's book 'Majestic,' and I'm gonna tell you right now that most of the documents in there, that he says are fiction, are real documents that came right out of Project Grudge. It is part of the government's campaign to leak information out in ways that they can always deny that it's real. There's only one thing wrong with the information in that book, the stories of the characters in there I know nothing about. What I'm talking about are the supposed government documents that he has in that book. I'm telling you tonight they're real. Those are some of the same documents that I saw in Project Grudge back between 1970 & 1973, and where we have wondered before, now we know that Whitley Streeper IS working for the government. And we had a suspicion anyway because in the front of his book he states that he got information and was helped by the research team of Moore, Shanderey, and Friedman. William Moore has publicly admitted on July the 1st that he is an agent of the United States Government, and we know that the others are too." "This is gonna come out, and the reason they're doing it the way they're doing it is they know eventually you're gonna find out that it's all true and real. They're desensitizing you so that you're not shocked, so that there's no collapse of society as we know it, so that the religious structure doesn't fall to pieces, so that the stock market doesn't go crazy, because these were their original fears. Now, there's nothing we can do about the last one because it's already happened, there will be a segment of the population that worships the aliens, even though they're no different than us they're just from somewhere else, and they may look a little different. They are not gods. But there are already people worshiping the aliens and they predicted this would happen when they slapped the secret stamp all over all this stuff." "You know, there's really nothing wrong with what's been happening except for 3 things;" [Cooper forgot to mention the 3rd thing, or was sidetracked, or included it into the 2nd thing.] Number one, when they decided to keep it secret they needed to finance it, they couldn't tell the public so they couldn't tell Congress. They decided to finance it with the sale, importation and sale, of drugs. Now in the documents that I read, in Operation Majority, it specifically stated that when George Bush was the president and CEO of Sapata [sp] Oil, he, in conjunction with the CIA, organized the first large scale drug importation into this country from South and Central America by fishing boat, to the offshore oil platforms of Sapata Oil, and then from there into the beach, thus bypassing all Customs inspections and law enforcement inspections of any kind. They are still bringing in drugs, to a limited extent, in this manner. Another manner is by CIA contract aircraft which, one of their bases of landing is Homestead [sp] Air Force Base in Florida. We have affidavits from air controllers who have vectored the planes in, who have made sure that they're not interfered with in any way. We have affidavits from personnel at Homestead Air Force Base who say the planes have been met by Zeb Bush, who's George Bush's son. We have affidavits from people who work in the Gulf of Mexico, in the offshore oil business, that yes indeed, the drugs are coming in, at least some of them, from the offshore oil platforms." >From the audience came a clear statement, "Just say no?" "Pardon? ...Right! Just Say No! Well that's what we're gonna do ladies and gentlemen with your help ...we are going to say NO, no more! And you gotta do it, you gotta act. You either gotta act, or watch your country go down the tubes." "Now, that's one of the things that's wrong. The next thing that's wrong is, to keep the secret, they killed a lot of people who tried to leak it out. And if I hadn't done it the way that I did it, you wouldn't be seeing me anywhere standing or walking on this Earth now. They killed president Kennedy and during the workshop, for those of you haven't seen the tape, I will show you, on the tape, who shot the president and why. Between '70 and '73, in Operation Majority it stated verbatim that President Kennedy ordered MJ-12 to cease the importation and sale of drugs to the American people, that he ordered them to implement a plan to reveal the presence of aliens to the American people within the following year. His assassination was ordered by the policy committee of the Vilderbergers. MJ-12 implemented the plan and carried it out in Dallas. It involved agents of the CIA, Division-5 of the FBI, the Secret Service, and the office of Naval Intelligence. President Kennedy was killed by the driver of his car, his name was William Greer, he used a recoilless, electrically operated, gas powered assassination pistol that was specially built by the CIA to assassinate people at close range. It fired an explosive pellet which injected a large amount of shellfish poison into the brain, and that is why, in the documents, it stated that President Kennedy's brain was removed. If you've studied the case, you will find that indeed his brain disappeared. The reason for that is so that they would not find the particles of the exploding pellet or the shellfish poison in his brain which would have proved conclusively that Lee Harvy Oswald was NOT the assassin. In fact, Lee Harvy Oswald never fired a shot, he was the patsy." Mr. Cooper paused briefly, and a lady in the audience asked the obvious question, "Why haven't YOU been assassinated?" "If they were to kill me right now, what would you think?" Cooper posed. "That it's the truth," several people chimed. "I've got 'em right where I want 'em. If they touch me, everyone who's ever heard me talk is gonna be absolutely enraged and is gonna know that everything I've said is true. As long as they don't touch me there's gonna be some of you who are always gonna be wondering. But eventually we're gonna bring enough proof out, and if you're here during the workshop you're gonna see an awful lot of it that's gonna prove to you that it's true. It's real. And it's happening!" "Okay, I've tried to cover a lot of stuff, just briefly, because there's no time in 45 minutes to get into anything very much." Mr. Cooper then announced the scheduled workshop session the following day in which tangible proofs could be seen but regrettably I was unable to attend. He then opened up the floor to questions and answers. A muffled question was barely heard coming from the front of the room which in essence asked, "What about all the people in the press and others who were in Dallas and who saw the assassination? Couldn't they tell where the shot came from, why didn't they come forward? There must have been plenty." "There was, we know that there was at least 18 who were all murdered within 2 years of the event. The odds of that happening are 1 in 300,000 trillion," Cooper replied. Again a muffled question, "Why did the DRIVER have to shoot Kennedy?" "Because the other fools missed! There were a total of 3 shots fired at President Kennedy, one hit him in the throat and didn't kill him and 2 of them hit John Connelly [sp]. The one that was fired from the grassy knoll hit the president in the throat. The other 2 shots came from directly behind the limousine, not the school book depository building, and hit Governor Connelly. Governor Connelly, in intelligence community circles, is known as a 'can do' man, because he took 2 hits and still kept his mouth shut." "How is it that the driver, sitting on the front, left-hand side of the car was able to blow off the right side of Kennedy's brain when the bullet actually entered in, and it would have been virtually impossible..." another person asked. Mr. Cooper seized the gist of his question and injected, "For those of you who have been listening to all these talk show hosts, whose job it is to be a talk show host, and who have not done any legitimate research into this, if you come to the workshop, I will show you, on the tape, how it was done. You will see that Kennedy was, in fact slumped over against Jackie, his head was turned [this direction], it was very simple, it was easy and you will see it with your own eyes." Another muffled, off mike question from a member of the audience inquiring why no one else had come forward with the information Mr. Cooper was disseminating, and why those who knew it had kept it secret for so long was quickly answered, "It hasn't been, I'm talkin' about it now. Bill English was talkin' about it 8 years ago but everybody laughed at Bill English. John Lear's been talkin' about it for 3 years and everybody laughed at him. Now there's so many people have been talkin' about it, people are startin' to listen and it's about time. Because it's about time we that we quit being fools, and that's exactly what they think we are and we prove it to them every day." Almost all of the questions from the audience were to faint to hear. The next one dealt with the alien technology and asked in essence, "Hasn't any one else [other than the government] come up with the energy technology that the aliens have?" to which Mr. Cooper answered, "There's been quite a few people who've come up with it and they've ALL been stopped, and they'll all continue to be stopped. Because once you have it you have FREE ENERGY. Once you have free energy they no longer have power over you. You understand? That's why they stop it." > You'll see part 3 after my next netcall... ## net_sh v1.4 (sb) SYSTEM-MSG: Go directly to jail, do not pass 'GO', do not collect $400. From locatech@tron.gun.de (Jrg Lhn) Mon Sep 7 09:45:00 1992 Path: igor.rutgers.edu!rutgers!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mcsun!Germany.EU.net!unidui!flyer!easix!tron.gun.de!locatech From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Jrg Lhn) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: The text (part 3) Message-ID: <15880772565@tron.gun.de> Date: 7 Sep 92 13:45:00 GMT Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany Lines: 286 PART 3: Another question asking, "In the film of the assassination which was examined greatly by experts, why didn't THEY conclude that Kennedy's driver shot him?", to which Cooper asked, "Examined by WHO greatly?", and continued, "Most of the film that you can purchase has that segment cut out, and you can always tell it by the person running in the background, they'll run up to here... all of a sudden they'll be down here... running. You will see in most of the clips that you've ever seen on television, or in the movies, or that you're able to get your hands on, you'll see William Greer start to turn like this...", then a muffled comment from the audience, then Cooper answered, "That's because they clipped it out! And on a lot of them, I'll bet you most of you, every time you've seen the clip on television, never looked at the driver anyway. If you're really honest with yourself, and with me, you know your eyes were right on Kennedy." A woman asked if any of the alien technology was being used in present day military equipment and was answered, "Yes, there's a lot of alien technology contained in the Stealth bomber, that's right. The Stealth fighter was flying for 10 years before you even knew it existed." As the hour drew late another question, more clearly stated, was asked of Mr. Cooper by a woman closer to my ears, "Before you let us all out of here, there's a bunch of us here wondering what can we all do to help bring this all out?" A single word, "REVOLT" issued from several listeners simultaneously but Cooper responded, "Don't revolt. What you need to do is what you should have been doing all along. You need to get involved with your government. The first thing you need to do is purchase a copy of the Constitution, which I know that most of you don't have anywhere in your house, and if I were to go around this room and ask each person what the Constitution says, most of you couldn't tell me what the Constitution says from your grocery bill. And that's the truth! And that IS your country! So if you don't know what your Constitution is you're dead already, so the first thing you do is you get a copy of your Constitution. The second thing you do is you learn it! The third thing you do is you start calling your senators and your representatives, and the President of the United States and you start leaning on them, and you tell them, 'Unless you straighten up the government, and unless we start getting the truth, and I mean the whole truth, and no more of this baloney, this's the last job you're ever gonna have, period. And I'll do everything in my power to make sure that comes true.' And then write them, frequently, saying the same thing. And then when they're in your area, in their area offices, take a little delegation and go see them, and make them understand that they're gonna be living in poverty because they're not gonna have a job anymore come election day. You see, the secret government may own the executive branch, but you people, all of us, we own the Congress, and the Congress makes the laws, and the Congress can impeach the entire executive branch! You also have the right to petition the government for a redress of injuries. So you ARE powerful, you've just forgotten that you're powerful, you've forgotten that that vote that you haven't been doing every time election comes around, that vote has abdicated your power. That vote you did not cast