From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) Subject: USAF Squats on Area51 land. Date: 13 Sep 93 14:07:48 GMT Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Hello all, Scarfed this from skunk-works-digest mailing list, thought it might be of intrest: From: TRADER@cup.portal.com Date: Sun, 12 Sep 93 20:23:55 PDT Subject: USAF: Squatters?? At the local federal documents depository, I noticed something that leads me to believe the USAF may be "squatting" (illegally occupying) on Area 51 (the Groom Lake facility). I read a copy of the House of Representatives report 98-1046 (98th Congress, 2nd session) about how the USAF got the land around Groom Mountain. The Congressmen indicated that the Air Force had taken control of the land, and now they were trying to make it legal by getting Congressional approval. According to this document, the Air Force was supposed to give the land back to the Dept. of the Interior on December 31, 1987. (The Congressional bill for this is in H.R. 4932). Now, as we all know, the Air Force still has control of the land, even though the (presumed) purpose of using it for "Senior Trend" (F-117A) testing has been completed. I have been unable to find any document indicating an extension to the Air Force's control of the land, so I think the Air Force is squatting on the Groom Lake facility. Does anyone know of any legal basis for the USAF using this land? (Yes, I know the Air Force tends to ignore the law and I wouldn't be surprised if they were squatting.) (Interesting footnote: if I read the legislation correctly, the Air Force is not allowed to conduct bombing or live-firing exercises at Groom Lake, because the Interior Department had concerns about the effects on desert wildlife.) Paul McGinnis / TRADER@cup.portal.com -- Rod Beckwith |$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$| The Datacom I/S |"The great obstacle of progress is not ignorance,| Nite rodb@corp.sgi.com|but the illusion of knowledge." | Net |$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$| Knight From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo Subject: Air Force gets land surrounding A51 Date: 25 Oct 93 15:34:19 GMT Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Hello all Well, it's now official.....the plot thickens............. Read it & weep folks, RodTo: skunk-works-digest@ecn.purdue.edu Skunk Works Digest Saturday, 23 October 1993 Volume 04 : Number 045 In this issue: Air Forcs Withdraws Land Adjacent to Groom Lake Re: Groom Lake See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the skunk-works or skunk-works-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: larry@ichips.intel.com Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 15:21:07 -0700 Subject: Air Forcs Withdraws Land Adjacent to Groom Lake Well I guess it's official. The air Force will "withdraw" an additional 3900 acres of public land adjacent to the test facility at Groom lake for 2 years (Federal Register, 10/18/93, page 53745). Included in the withdrawal (siezure?) are key vantage points like Freedom Ridge and White Sides, used by the public to view the secret unacknowledged facility at Groom Lake. According to Air Force Secretary Sheila E. Widnall, the siezure of public land "is necessary for the safe and secure operation" of the nearby facilities. The Federation of Americal Scientists thinks it curious that even the extravagant security measures of the most secure of cold war bases, are now somehow deficient, after the cold war is over. It is curious that under the Open Skies Treaty, foreign consignatory nations will be allowed to fly over and photograph the site at Groom Lake, whose very existence is a liberty denied to Americans. Larry ------------------------------ From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 23:52:30 MDT Subject: Re: Groom Lake Larry says... >The air Force will "withdraw" an additional 3900 acres of public >land adjacent to the test facility at Groom lake for 2 years Hmm... so what happens after 2 years? (and what happens at Groom Lake DURING those 2 years! :) >The Federation of Americal Scientists thinks it curious that even the >extravagant security measures of the most secure of cold war bases, >are now somehow deficient, after the cold war is over. Yes, that is quite "curious" indeed. >It is curious that under the Open Skies Treaty, foreign consignatory >nations will be allowed to fly over and photograph the site at Groom Lake, >whose very existence is a liberty denied to Americans. But one "liberty" they have NOT denied us is the spending of countless Billions of our tax dollars on the place... with no doubt a very large percentage paying for nothing but keeping it secret. I suppose one liberty they will never deny is us blissful ignorance. But of course i'm sure its for our own good, since if the general public knew about the existance of a Mach 6+ reconnaissance aircraft, it would probably cause mass hysteria! :-> - -dean ------------------------------ End of Skunk Works Digest V4 #45 ******************************** To subscribe to skunk-works-digest, send the command: subscribe skunk-works-digest in the body of a message to "listserv@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-skunk-works": subscribe skunk-works-digest local-skunk-works@your.domain.net To unsubscribe, send mail to the same address, with the command: unsubscribe skunk-works-digest in the body. 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