From Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com Tue Oct 29 16:38:20 1991 Path: aramis.rutgers.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Don_-_Showen From: Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Meiers Background Message-ID: <49413@cup.portal.com> Date: 29 Oct 91 21:38:20 GMT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 381 Okay, okay. Due to popular request I will post some of Wendelle Stevens book UFO ... Contact From the Pleiades: Supplementry Investigation Report. Published in 1989. I would like to indicate that this book is privately published and not in large quantities. As Wendelle once told me he publishes mainly for his friends. Since he publishes it himself the cost of the book is a little more than it could be. But I consider the information priceless. Wendelle has done us all a great service by notating and editing Meiers contact notes. Wendelle combines his 30 plus years of experience into the annotations which, I consider, makes his book twice as valuable. I had the opportunity of seeing the English version of Meiers German contact notes offered by Meiers community and it was the most difficult reading I ever attempted. In fact I gave up on trying to read them, except for a few juicy parts that Wendelle decided not to publish. I chose this part of the book so people could get some background on Meier, see how Wendelle writes and background on the investigation. I will post a few conservations between Meier and Semjase in the future. Enjoy! Don Showen BTW if you enjoy this how about sending Wendelle a Thank you note for both writing it and giving me permission to post. I have put certain parts that I consider important in ALL CAPS. A note to you nonbelievers. Try to put your belief systems and judgements aside while reading this. Then after finishing it let your mind snap shut again. Don Showen The following is Copyrighted by Wendelle Stevens ALL RIGHTS RESERVED Reprinted with permission. Reprinted from the book UFO ... Contact From the Pleiades: Supplementry Investigation Report. Published in 1989. available from UFO PHOTO ARCHIVES P.O. Box 17206 Tucson, Arizona 85710 INTRODUCTION "Unidentified Flying Objects are a very serious subject which we must study fully. We appeal to all viewers to send us details of any observations of strange flying craft seen over the territories of the Soviet Union. This is a serious challenge to Science, and we need the help of all Soviet citizens." Dr. Felix Zigel, Moscow Aviation Institute, on TV, 10 November 1967 Ten years after my investigation of the phenomenal UFO contacts from the Pleiades in Switzerland began, (in the early part of September 1976), I feel as qualified as any to assess the validity and accuracy of what I discovered and reported. I have marked scores of typographical errors in my master copy of my Preliminary Report of Investigation published in 1982, and a couple of dates had to be corrected, and some phrases, some paragraphs, and even a couple of pages, had to be corrected, but I have found little that was incorrectly reported then, and I find little now. That report was the culmination of a series of reports updated annually since 1978. At the time of publication the contacts were still going on and so there were some things that were not included there because they were still developing. Also we chose to begin that report with the beginning of Semjase's contacts with Mr. Meier, although that was not the first Earth contacts carried out by Semjase nor was it the first contacts with extraterrestrial entities by Eduard Meier. Once that published report was released we, and I personally, came under attack constantly from every quarter and all levels. The most vicious put-downs came from the UFO clubs and organizations themselves, both official and unofficial, which should have been the very ones to get in there and really get to the truth of the matter. I never saw any of them there in 81 days altogether that I spent living on the property or in the vicinity carrying out my own investigations. My later associates collectively spent more than twice that amount of time and they never saw any other serious researchers either. May I assure you that I would never have spent the 2nd day, nor made any other trip to investigate a hoax. I am not attracted by fantasy and science fiction, and I abhor hoax and deliberate fraud. On the other hand, to attribute the magnitude and scope of the exhibitions, mass demonstrations, physical evidence and data as a fraud on my part is flattery indeed. We do not seek, nor do I have any urge to persuade any of you to accept what I offer here without question. We simply state what we found and what we believe for those who are interested in knowing that much. You may accept what you choose and reject any and all of this as you please. I personally accept nothing without questioning it and knowing exactly why I do or do not believe, and I recommend this to all. We have been accused of being victimized by somebody else's fraud in this case, and then passing it on in our reports. If that is the situation then the perpetrators number in the scores, of different sources, many completely unknown to all the others. Some trick, I would say, and clearly beyond the little Swiss farmer. If that were the case, he has staged same sights we have seen, and same phenomena we have observed and experienced, that go far beyond the special effects capabilities of the biggest movie studios in the world -- and all with no money, no resources, no known confederates, no technicians or aids of any kind, and in a poor and simple rural area of Switzerland where everybody knows what all the rest are doing. That report aroused the ire and enmity of the whole UFO community, mainly because such enmity was actively orchestrated by the better known UFO clubs then, such as APRO, MUFON, ICUON and others, possibly through local jealously. All you need do is read their bulletins to verify this. Several offered to take control of the investigation for me if I would just turn over my notes and contacts to them. Other free lancers came to me with the same offer. I could not accept the offers from any, because what I was seeing was too big to be managed on a part time basis by same club simultaneously distracted by many other things. I took it to an intelligence contact who at first showed interest, and then later (after checking forward) advised that they "already had it",and for me to forget it. I then took it to a private investigative agency, licensed in Arizona and Internationally, and persuaded them to join me in our own investigation to see what we could discover for ourselves. One result was the Preliminary Investigation Report, which was not originally intended for publication as may be easily seen. It is also possible that somebody else, relying on the constant UFO club jealousy and infighting, manipulated events and reactions to produce problems designed to slow us down or to deter completely. ... Not only did we come under fire, but most of the other researchers who helped us in any way were castigated and criticized to the extent that we were forced to go underground in our research. ... CHAPTER 1 Asket and the DALs My Preliminary Investigation Report on this case, published in 1982, began with the commencement of the face-to-face contacts with Semjase and her team of Pleiadians operating from a great mother-ship, and Meier's photos of the Pleiadian ships. That was the case we were studying at the time. That, however, was not the beginning of Eduard Meier's contacts with extraterrestrials nor was it the first time he had seen and photographed unidentified flying objects in the skies of Earth. His first sightings of this phenomena began when he was a small boy of 5 with his father when they lived in Bulach on the German border. That happened on 2 June 1942. It was only a sighting, but he knew then that this whole thing was different, though he was unaware at that young age that he had accepted an "arrangement" before his birth. His was a chosen destiny of contacts which was to give him no peace in this life. >From then on he could often see "traveling stars" when he looked up, mostly at night but sometimes in daylight too. He distinguished these from the others because these were sometimes larger and sometimes smaller, and these stars made abrupt turns, flew zig-zag patterns, and they sometimes just stopped in space. Remember there were no satellites in those days. Then in late Autumn of the same year, Meier saw a bigger ball-shaped flying object traveling at slow speed. It slowed more and began to slowly descend. gently it came down, its metallic spherical shape clearly visible. Then, all of a sudden, it just disappeared without making any noise. The sightings became more frequent until he began to hear a voice in his head and saw pictures. In November that same year, shortly before his 6th birthday, he saw a pear-shaped object suddenly drop from the sky, and settle gently on the meadow grass in a woods near their home town of Bulach. An old man took him into the ship and high above Earth, then brought him back to the same meadow and let him out. The ship then shot up vertically at high speed until out of sight. More sightings and communications continued until his 7th birthday on 3 February 1944, when the voice became more personal and told him to work hard from now on as he would be given knowledge in this manner. The speaker identified himself as SFATH, the old man who had taken him aboard the pear-shaped machine earlier. Six months later, in the Summer of 1944, Sfath returned in the silver pear-shaped flying object and picked him up again for a four hour session on his destiny and that of his world in his lifetime. A helmet appliance with many wire leads attached was used for this inculcation process. He was able to see and hear overwhelming things and was imparted a great deal of knowledge and told of events to come, much of which he did not understand at the time. Meier was returned to the pick-up site and the ship disappeared straight up at high speed until it was out of sight. Only a few hours after that experience a new voice began to speak to him telepathically. This one was young, strong, and full of energy. It was female and told Meier he could call her ASKET, and that she would be his contact now. Asket communicated with him regularly from then on, and imparted more phenomenal knowledge, and then guided his destiny to give him certain experiences in the next few years to temper him for what was to come. It was she who made it possible for him to travel his world, and it was she who led him into and through his trials and many tests to give him the experiences he would need. Asket told Meier that her origin was in what she called the DAL Universe, incredibly a counterpart Universe to this of our reality. She said that our universe existed because of hers and hers because of ours. We were related in some way because the two separate Universes had a common origin, and that each existed because of the other and if one ceased to exist, the other would likewise cease to be. There were other universes involved also which further complicated the situation. An oversimplification would be to consider one an anti-matter counterpart of the other. This concept is not entirely unheard of, and has been treated extensively in science fiction. Even orthodox science is recently discovering anti-matter and opposite realities. Fritjoff Capra discussed the scientific basis for these opposing realities extensively in his TAO OF PHYSICS, and showed that matter equations simply do not work out without taking into account the opposite or anti-matter aspect. The Feinman diagrams used to explain particle reactions in high energy physics demonstrate this process well, and they are found to be completely reversible. When matter is theoretically annihilated in an acceleration chamber, same of it is only changed into its opposite aspect and disappears from our reality into that other. Balance is maintained by an exchange of energy in the form of heat or light. After a UFO experience many years ago, Anthony Seratites, a Dow Chemical engineer, was suddenly awakened to a new concept of matter and energy, being shown, way back then, that there is no ultimate particle in physics as it was being taught, that what appears to be protons, electrons, gluons, muons, quarks, neutrinos, etc., and all their invisible to us anti-particles, are nothing more than photon quanta organized in different ways. The photon quanta are not visible until they become organized into something, and they can just as easily become organized into an anti-something from our point of view. He visualized a photon quanta as part of a wave. It had vector and curvature, curl, or spin. He discovered that the vector could be reversed by simply inverting the curve, or the curve could be reversed by turning it over at 90 degrees to the other axis. In either case, its accumulation into matter was the same but now opposite or anti-matter. Seratites' diagram of an electron alone had same 228 parts. He spent years developing his concepts and diagramed many atoms in a book titled THE STRUCTURAL NATURE OF MATTER, and then went on to diagram more atoms and same molecules in another volume called THE UNIVERSAL FIELD LAW and THE UNIVERSAL LAW OF CREATION OF MASS/ ENERGY. both by Anthony D. Seratites. What he learned was that matter can be instantly converted to anti-matter by simply inverting the quanta, which changes its direction of spin, and that they mutually repel each other and do not seek to cancel out. The anti-matter world is no more rare than the matter world, as they are one and the same in different aspect. There is as much antimatter as there is matter and they balance. Seratites is best known as the inventor of Seran-wrap, the thinnest, lightest, strongest, and most vapor resistant of all films up to that time, and it was a product of his new ideas about chemistry coming out of his new physics. He may someday be recognized as the father of the renaissance in physics. He was not alone in these new concepts though. Wilbert B. Smith, B.A, M.A., former head of the Canadian Department of Transport's Project Magnet, entertained similar ideas as he developed what he called his Quadrature Concept, which was published after his death in 1962 under the title THE NW SCIENCE, authored by him. He too found that there is no ultimate physical particle; that all is the result of awareness within the creative consciousness. Simply awareness in the Tempic Field of the Creative Consciousness produces vector and curl. That vector and curl is equivalent to a photon quantum, which is the result of awareness impinging on the Tempic Field of the All. Simultaneous with the action of vector and curl comes the reaction of vector and curl energies in the opposite directions, resulting in opposite manifestation maintaining the balance in the all. The ultimate result in the physical world is observed as matter and antimatter. He also concluded that nothing more than awareness impinging on the Tempic Field of the All Consciousness was the actual first cause, and the origin of the photon and ultimately matter. Matter is nothing else than the final stages of thought manifest, with energy someplace in between. Wilbert B. Smith became a UFO contactee in 1954 and carried on extensive dialogues with the extraterrestrial friends visiting him. It was from these dialogues that he evolved his Ouadrature Concept to explain the then unknowns in physics, and came up with ideas very similar to those of Seratites but expressed in different terms, in which the anti-matter reality was the essential balancing part. Then in 1960, before Asket picked Meier up in Switzerland, a South African electrician, Edward F. White, began to have contact with extraterrestrials who told him they came from an anti-matter or counterpart universe. When they learned to navigate the polarity barrier between the two universes, they were amazed to discover our life and existence, similar to theirs, in opposite reality, and over time established contact across the barrier and learned to navigate and explore their antimatter counterpart--our phenomenal universe. They also learned to communicate across the barrier and maintained contact with the Earth man by electromagnetic means, which they carried on for over 25 years. During that time, over 1,000 hours of verbal dialogue was recorded on audio tape and preserved. These experiences are reported in a 305 page illustrated book titled UFO CONTACT FROM PLANET KOLDAS, A Cosmic Dialogue, authored by Carl van Vlierden. But Eduard Meier knew nothing of this at the time of his contacts with the DALs who claimed a counterpart universe origin. All he knew was that Asket was telling him that her DAL Universe was the opposite of ours, and that her people had learned to navigate what she called the "Time Barrier" time in this sense being the kind of vibrations or kind of reality in which they normally existed. She explained that her native counterpart was much like ours, but that the heavens and luminaries were all different, however they were of the same cumulative mass and energy. Once they learned to safely cross the barrier between the two universes-which co-exist in time and space--they learned to navigate and explore ours as well as theirs and they learned much and constantly transmitted information to their home System The DALs discovered the Pleiadians before Earth and learned to get along with and to work compatibly with them, who were already freely traveling in space. The DALs shared their technology with the Pleiadians which then allowed creatures of our universe to visit the DAL Universe in Pleiadian ships. The DALs discovered Earth through the Pleiadians and their interests here. Sfath was a Pleiadian who handed Meier over to Asket for development and preparation for a future Pleiadian plan. The DALs had an active Earth project going on at that time. Meier was picked back up in a Pleiadian mission in January 1975 with the renewed overt contact with him some time after the last of his preparation by Asket We reported those developments in the Preliminary Beport of Investigation. In that report we by-passed the earlier preparation by Asket in order to concentrate on the Pleiadian contacts themselves, a step we have been criticized for since. It has now became necessary to retreat and fill in some of the background preceding that first meeting with Semjase in the meadow in Switzerland. Here we are speaking only of the contacts with the Pleiadians in this present lifetime. CHAPTER 2 Asket Influences Meier's Preparation Upon establishing telepathic contact with Meier, Asket took over his education and preparation where Sfath had left off. It was she who led him through a series of adventures designed to toughen him for the adversity to come. It was she who led him through Africa and the experiences in the French Foreign Legion, the Desert Caravans, the slavers, revolutionaries and bootleggers; into the hands of the pirates of the Arabian Sea, and across the Indian Ocean as a sailor with the freighters to the sub-continent of India. It was Asket who by subtle influence guided Meier through most of the religions of Europe, Africa and Asia, joining them one by one in turn in his own search for a belief system acceptable to him. Unknown to Meier consciously then was Asket's subsequent statements to him, also later confirmed by Semjase in the Pleiadian contacts, that he was once an IHWH, a Pleiadian expeditionary to Earth, with one of the several earlier occupations of this planet by ancestors of the Pleiadians. He at that earlier time enjoyed his superior status and the obedience of and exploitation of the primitive Earth humans. His activities at that earlier time brought him subsequently into Earth incarnation as one of the Terrestrial primitives experiencing the oppressed side of the exploitation, but in his soul he knew the other side as well, even in those ancient days, and he inspired rebellion against the oppressors and a movement toward awareness of The Creation as the underlying source of being for all (within which even the IHWH had their limits). He became a leader of this silent rebellion, and his name then is recognized today as one of the prophets of the Old Testament. He incarnated again later as another to continue the work, and even again after that, more than once, for the same purpose, including his present Mission , now an Earth man. He was often guided in his activities, over the centuries. by those seeking to help the Pleiadians correct their mistakes, which in present time took the form of the DAL extradimensionals, and Asket in person. This is why in Asket's preparation program (for this mission) he was led through all of the world's great religions, one after another, to learn them thoroughly, AND ALSO ANOTHER REASON WHY HE WAS LED AWAY FROM FORMAL EDUCATION AT A YOUNG AGE -- TO REDUCE THE CONTAMINATION OF CONCEPTS BY THE ORTHODOX EARTH LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE AND BELIEFS. He was severely tested, physically and mentally, to toughen him for the trials of this mission. He actually experienced most of the principal Earth religions today, from the inside, all of which, according to his information, are descended from the less than benevolent Pleiadian extraterrestrials of that ancient past. This is one reason for Meier's harsh challenges to the fundamentalist beliefs, much of which we have edited out of our version of the Pleiadian Contact Notes, but which may be read in their original German language by those so interested. We are pretty sure that this information will not be well received, because the entrenched orthodox beliefs are still here, though now being exploited by Earth men for their own gain. Knowing this and revealing it has become a great danger to our contactee and many of those associated with him. Because of these previous contacts with the DAL extradimensionals and his awakened awareness, Eduard Meier was not entirely surprised when the contacts with Semjase and her team - reformed IHWHs - began, although it came earlier than expected. This is also another reason, and the real one, why these contacts could not be expanded to include just any other Earth humans, or be transferred to somebody else. There are however, others, like Eduard Meier, who are here doing similar things for similar reasons, but their missions are equally impossible to transfer to another. Eduard Meier has been given adequate proof of the validity of all these things, but he is not permitted to use it to persuade any other human being against his own will. Meier's primary instrument of validity is the collection of certain photographs of the extraterrestrial spacecraft which will never be duplicated. We may add here that there are photographs which have also been prepared as an "escape", if and when that should become necessary. WE ARE NOT PERMITTED TO POINT THEM OUT AS IT VIOLATES THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE RULE WITHIN THE FREE WILL ASPECTS OF EACH INDIVIDUAL. IT IS FOR THIS SAME REASON THAT ALL POSITIVE AND INDISPUTABLE PROOF HAS BEEN WITHHELD BY THE EXTRATERRESTRIALS THEMSELVES, AND WHEN ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BECAME PROVABLE CAME INTO THE HANDS OF MEIER, IT WAS TAKEN BY THE PLEIADIANS, THUS YOU ARE ALL ENTIRELY FREE TO CHOOSE WITHOUT THE COERCIVE INFLUENCE OF POSITIVE EVIDENCE. THAT WAS ALSO THE REASON BEHIND OUR INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE PLEIADIANS NOT TO TRY TO REBUT ANY KINDS OF CHARGES MADE AGAINST THIS CASE BY ANTAGONISTS. THEY ARE ENTITLED TO THEIR PREFERRED JUDGMENTS IN THEIR OWN FREE WILL. This may not be for them, and that is OK. Meier also has freedom of choice in how he treats this whole thing. He is not bound in any way and may get out any time by an act of will, but, they warn, if he does, it is forever...a step that he hesitates to take because so much of his past is bound up in this. From Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com Wed Oct 30 04:35:12 1991 Path: aramis.rutgers.edu!rutgers!sun-barr!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!wupost!uunet!fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Don_-_Showen From: Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Meier visits eternity Message-ID: <49445@cup.portal.com> Date: 30 Oct 91 09:35:12 GMT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 113 The following is Copyrighted by Wendelle Stevens ALL RIGHTS RESERVED Reprinted with permission. Reprinted from the book Message From the Pleiades: available from UFO PHOTO ARCHIVES P.O. Box 17206 Tucson, Arizona 85710 Semjase- 239/ Earth humans still don't know very many things. 240/ But now we have to interrupt our conversation, because my father has finished his preparations for the great leap. 244/ And as I am already speaking of such, then I want to ask you something: In a few minutes, we will jump for seven minutes into the "eternity", as you call it. 245/ The feelings and sensations there are completely otherwise than in normal existence in material life. 246/ For that reason it is also not possible for us to receive your thoughts and feelings with proper concentration. 247/ In consequence of which neither I nor my father, nor any of us, could later repeat for you your feelings and thoughts, so that you could write them down. 248/ If you nevertheless wish to do this, then there is a chance on a technical basis. Meier- Of course I am interested in remembering my feelings, but, am I not able to do this myself? Semjase- 249/ But surely... 250/ But you know that your own ability to remember is not developed so highly that you can repeat word for word from memory. 251/ That as well is the case for us, for which we need technical assistance for true word repeats. Meier- I understand. What do you suggest then? Naturally I am interested in writing everything in detail. Semjase- 252/ That's not difficult. 253/ The booths, which you can see there, beside the screens, are equipped with all necessary means, to store up feelings and thoughts.(15) 254/ The thought impulses received are stored in a special computer and can later, as may be desired, be repeated word for word from it. 255/ The helmet, shapable and adaptable in size, which you see there, is equipped with very fine sondes and is as well covered by a special, fine-meshed net of sondes which pick up every kind of energy and transforms it into impulses which are then transmitted to the computer where they are registered and stored. 256/ The energy of thoughts and feelings is measured in very high values and can be received only through those instruments. 257/ The energies of feelings and thoughts exist only in very high frequency fields, or hyper-frequencies. 258/ To now be able to register your thoughts and feelings, it is necessary that you place yourself into the chair and lay the head under the helmet cap, which then will adapt itself automatically to your head. Meier- That's all I have to do? Semjase- 259/ No, that is not all. 260/ But now place yourself in the booth. 261/ The great journey starts in just 23 seconds. Meier- At your service, Miss General. (As Semjase explained to me, I quickly sit down inside one of the three booths, in the extremely comfortable chair. As soon as I have seated myself, the peculiar helmet moves over my head and sinks down silently. It is big enough that it closes around my whole head, and only leaves my face open, thus I can see and watch everything. But the helmet is not touching my head; only lying close around it, keeping about one and a half centimeters distance to the skull, as I can see when I place a forefinger between the helmet and the head. Now I am tense and expectant, for I wonder what is going to happen. Ptaah and Semjase manipulate the apparatus, and now I can see again how the fantastic heavens and stars change. In a fraction of a second they are nothing more than a whitish milky mass, a shining mass, as I have already seen in the other hyper-leaps. But now suddenly as well, this milky whitish shining is gone and there is darkness. But now what is this? Suddenly all is merging into a golden color, and now everything is like silver. But - my dear this glistening light, this beaming shining splendor! Everything is merged into glistening light - only the glistening light. It is stronger than all the suns of the Universe... Dear, oh dear, this glistening light, and it does not hurt the eyes! Dear, this must be eternity, the glistening light of the eternal... but see, there is nothing besides the eternity; man alive, how marvelous! Marvelous? Man alive, that is itself marvelous. Eternity and marvelousness are one and the same. Only why do I separate it? Why do I put the eternity into terms of time? Time does not exist, and the eternity is marvelous. Man, just what is this? This tranquility, this peace -- what is it? How could I have achieved this? Love, oh that deep all encompassing love. Nothing is there, but LOVE: wonderful, marvelous. Oh yes, I am, but I am not. Everything is so deep, and full of love. Of course, I am eternity, and I am inside of eternity. How could I ever forget this? Oh yes, I am a human being, how can I... why do I forget that? I am only a guest in eternity - and those loving voices, calling for me, from where is it coming? I can see nothing, only the glistening light, comforting. Who is calling me? I see nothing; man alive, I am nothing any more. I can't see myself. I a eternity, in the eternity. Oh, how is that, but I don't see with my eyes, still I see everything. And I am not listening with my ears, yet I hear everything. Yes, the love, how powerful it is, how immense, infinite and wonderful. Everything is love and splendor; why doesn't the human being understand this? ... The calling comes out of the light. Is it the call of eternity? Oh how hard it is... to not think that I am only a guest in eternity, that I am only a human being. How painful it is, this being a human. I do no more want to be. I want to remain here as eternity inside of eternity... this deep. Yes, I want to stay here. Never again do I want to return. Here is the existence, the real existence... How can I feel strange having to return to a material world? I belong here................................................. Pain, why are you shaking me? What is it? Semjase- 262/ Do you still not understand? Meier I - - - Oh yes, of course! - - - Pitiful - very much pitiful - why have you brought me back here? Semjase- 263/ You want to joke, but we have all been inside the timelessness, and would all like to stay there. 264/ But we are not ready to stay, because we have to absolve the way of evolution step-by-step - as you also must do, dear friend. 265/ I know quite well, how painfully your heart aches now, as we all have experienced the same thing. 266/ But we have to adjust ourselves for that and do know, that under no circumstances or conditions are we allowed or able to remain, until we have reached that level of consciousness. 267/ I do regret very much that you feel disturbed inside, as I can see it on your face. 268/ But you will overcome it, because you can think about it realistically. 269/ For that reason we also took responsibility for this equipment... From Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com Wed Oct 30 04:37:03 1991 Path: aramis.rutgers.edu!rutgers!usc!aero-c!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wupost!uunet!fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Don_-_Showen From: Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage Subject: Ptaah and Meier on religion Message-ID: <49446@cup.portal.com> Date: 30 Oct 91 09:37:03 GMT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 43 The following is Copyrighted by Wendelle Stevens ALL RIGHTS RESERVED Reprinted with permission. Reprinted from the book Message From the Pleiades: available from UFO PHOTO ARCHIVES P.O. Box 17206 Tucson, Arizona 85710 Meier- Yes. Okay, I thought so. But what about the pretensions then, that humans have received messages from Angels or from God, etc., by inspirations? Ptaah 207/ In a few cases, such inspirations are true, but they never contain religious information. 208/ Religions exist solely on your own Earth. They do not exist anywhere else in the Universe. 211/ Same space-traveling people have brought Earth religions to other planets but only for the purpose of studying them. Meier- Those are strong words. We are told on Earth, especially by the Christians, that Jesus Christ is the actual master and ruler of all the worlds in the Universe. He is regarded as a God incarnate and is seen as equal to The Creation itself. What can you say about this? Ptaah 214/ We know these delusions of your world, but consider if it were true, which is impossible, then in all probability not the human beings of Earth would be the race to whom would be allocated the task of publishing a religion. 216/ As, for many millenniums on many worlds of the Universe, the Earth human represents the most materialistic creature development, deficient in spiritual evolution for the run of millenniums. 217/ It is a known fact on many worlds, that the Earth human being defies (real) spiritual growth and develops himself only within gross materialism. It would really be a paradox of supreme magnitude if such an one, among those available, were chosen for such universal destiny (and he can not even leave his planet or system). 218/ But in spite of this, the Earth humans abrogates to himself the immeasurable arrogance of this presumption while he revels in his materialistic mania of which we know no equal. 219/ This, precisely, is a real danger, for as soon as the Earth human becomes master of the technologies for space-drive and travels to strange worlds, and brings them by power of his weapons or lies or deceit under his control, so also will he include in his doing, the crazy spread of his religion to his conquests, and the existing universal harmony will be destroyed. 221/ This means that the still guaranteed peace would be destroyed by your religions and degenerate to murderous wars and great destruction.(16) 222/ And just to prevent this occurrence is a great and difficult mission for spiritually developed space-traveling forms of life...