From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Don Schmitt Online 1/4
Date: 7 Jun 94 06:31:00 GMT
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 * Forwarded from "Fidonet UFO Conference"
 * Originally by Mike Broussard
 * Originally to All
 * Originally dated 29 May 1994, 22:19

The following is a transcript of an online conference from the
Compuserve Information Service that took place May 20, 1994.  The
featured guest was Donald Schmitt.

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% The "STEIN ONLINE"-DONALD SCHMITT conference is beginning

  Your moderator is ELIOT STEIN-HOST

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: Good Evening. Welcome to the nightly "Stein Online"
TALK SHOW on CompuServe. Tonight we'll be joined by Donald Schmitt,
co-author of "The Truth About the UFOCrash at Roswell" (M. Evans & Co.)

Donald, thanks for joining us. Why has this particular UFO case more
credibility than most of them?

DON: We consider the Roswell crash of 1947, the grandaddy of all UFO
cases!  First, it happened at a time when there was little to influence
public opinion on UFOs. There wasn't all the UFO movies in theaters...
nothing that would influence the mass public.

You could pull out major newspapers from jun-july 1947, and find page
after page of flying saucer reports!  The concerns were from the public
and the government of sightings of unusual aircraft.  By all the
accounts and witnesses--we were dealing with SOMEBODY else's aircraft.
Then we had the crash. The crash of an unknown object. Two specific
sites. One 75 miles Northwest of Roswell, New Mexico the second site
halfway between the first site and Roswell which necessitated a press
release--JULY 8--that the U.S. military had recovered a flying disc.

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: Who made this announcement?

DON: The press release was issued by the 509th atomic bomb wing under
the command of Col. William Blanchard.

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: Where did this release go to?

DON: Over the wire service --it managed to get out well enough for the
next number of hours that every major newspaper had headlines about this
recovery--all over the world.

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: What time was the announcement?

DON: 12 NOON July 8 CST.

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: We are interviewing Donald Schmitt, co-author of "The
Truth About the UFO Crash at Roswell" (M. Evans & Co.)

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: So here we have an official press release from the
U.S. government that they have recovered a "flying disc" that goes out
on the wire services. What happens then?

DON: By 7:30 p.m. that evening, the announcement was RETRACTED..by Brig.
Gen. Roger Ramey.  Displaying a very conventional radar reflector in his
office--he "explained" away the entire event.

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: DId most people including the news media fall for this
cover-up--after all, this was our government, who NEVER lied to us?

DON: Probably out of fear and because of the patriotic atmosphere of the
nation at that time--the explanation was accepted without any second
thought!  It would not be until 30 years later that the INTEL officer,
Major Jessie Marcel, broke the story to the media, stating that he had
actually handled pieces of the genuine flying saucer!  That was in
1977..and the only publication that would even touch the story was the
National Enquirer.

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: These days, Time and Newsweek would be there in a
flash!

DON: Marcel persisted. After that additional witnesses came forward.
They talked about the material...the recovery of the material.

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: How big was the saucer that landed?

DON: It wasn't a saucer. The description of it was that it was without
wings or a tail section. The term flying saucer was coined by a reporter
from Oregon, who had been told about what a witness saw--nine flying
objects.  It was like the heel of a shoe--15 feet in width--about 15-20
feet in length. It had a center crew department.

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: Were there any occupants in this crash landing?

DON: Six first hand witnesses not only described the shape of the
craft... but independently described five bodies that were recovered!

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: What did the bodies look like according to the
accounts?

DON: The descriptions are basically identical! Humanoid--short in
stature, about 5 feet in height--

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: So far you're describing Danny DeVito

DON: Larger dis-proportionate heads--larger eyes...not your typical
contemporary UFO occupant description--

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: So these are not the "greys" that we see on book
covers and such...

DON: No...these were humanoids.  A silver-grey one piece jump suit they
wore.  Bodies were placed in lead-lined body bags...what is relevant is
that the 509 bomb wing was the first nuclear bomb strike force based at
Roswell.  The bodies were then transported via two separate flights--
early morning July 6 around 2:00 a.m.--one flight going to Andrews Army
air field and the second to Wright Field.

Interesting to note--that in July 1947--there were two adjoining air
fields in dayton Ohio--Wright Field and Patterson--and witnesses to the
events have described landings at Patterson. What is important is that
the foreign technology headquarters--was based there.

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: We are interviewing Donald Schmitt, co-author of "The
Truth About the UFO Crash at Roswell" (M. Evans & Co.)

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: If you have a question for Donald Schmitt, type
/QUESTION and you will be taken in order.

% Moderator recognizes question #1
  Marie (11)


ELIOT STEIN-HOST: Marie GO AHEAD!!!!

Marie: How foreign if foreign techology....what has happened to the
roswell farmer and family who picked up pieces off their farmland which
included flowered wallpaper.  The farmer's horses were
spooked by alian cries thru the night.  Where is the AZ D.J. who
announced the crash and was cut off the air.  and finally...doesn't our
AF have similar aircraft today?  ga...thanks

DON: It was a ranch foreman--not a farmer--high desert country, the
rancher died over 25 years.  His family is still alive. The now-grown
children have verified everything except the conventional materials (the
foreman retracted that)--as to the press efforts to put it over the
wire, Judd Roberts at radio station KGFL described threats from the
F.C.C. with loss of their license which were followed by phone calls
from Senator Dennis Chavez warning them to do what they were told.  The
transmission was shut down. In regards to the FBI intercept of the wire
transmission, there wasn't anything that unusual about the wire
transmission being cross-schecked before transmission.

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: Thanks

% Moderator recognizes question #2
  Alan (6)

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: ALAN GO AHEAD with your question!

Alan: Hi Eliot and Don

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: Hi!

Alan: If indeed the government recognized this crash as aliens, what
steps were taken then and now to defend against an invasion from space
based upon what was learned from the crash.  thanks.   GA

DON: Newspaper accounts prior to the incident describe fighters on
standby throughout the country. Radar on 24-hour alert. Following the
incident, after the balloon explanation, there was literally a news
blackout.  Articles read how the military was taking measures to stop
the rumors.

Let me quote the first director of project Bluebook, captain Edward
Ruppelt: "By the end of July 1947--the Pentagon was in a complete panic
about UFO's." Obviously something had happened!

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: Where was Harry Truman during all this?

DONALD: Truman had specifically on July 8--held security meetings with
his cabinet and with his advisors. Some witnesses have suggested that
Eisenhower went to New Mexico.

ELIOT STEIN-HOST) Was Harry afraid he might have to say "The buck stops
here" to a group of aliens?

DON: (grin) We have to remember that because of the Atomic bomb
situation at Roswell, there were more Soviet spies in Roswell than
anywhere else in the country.  There was a complete blackout of both the
military and the press.

% Moderator recognizes question #3
  CHRIS C.-SIDEKICK (15)

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: Chris Go AHEAD!

CHRIS C.-SIDEKICK: Hi, boss. Hi, Don. My question.... Do you really
believe that aliens have landed on this planet?

DON: Based on over 500 witnesses, and having spent as much time
investigating alternative explanations from the original "Balloon-radar
device), "Japanese balloon bombs," "V-2 rockets," and so on... we as
well as the skeptics have been unable to locate a single first-hand
witness who has described a "CONVENTIONAL" device to explain what
happened.  To the contrary--we have over two dozen living witnesses--to
the material...

CHRIS C.-SIDEKICK: Good answer.

DON: ...recovered--as well as SIX deathbed statements from witnesses
acknowledging the alien bodies!!!

CHRIS C.-SIDEKICK: One more question, if I may?

DON: They are all describing something. "Not from this Earth."

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: Real quick Chris  GA

CHRIS C.-SIDEKICK: Okay. What other books have you written?

DON: Yes, "The UFO Crash at Roswell"--from Avon paperback.  This is the
follow-up.

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: thanks

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: Please tell us about the material of the U.F.O.
spacecraft... was it analyzed... has anybody come forth with the
results?

DON: We have a firsthand description.  It is sections of paper-thin,
metal like material that would sustain the blows of a 16-pound
sledgehammer without a scratch.  Foil-like memory material that you
could roll-up, fold and then unfold and it would have no
sign of ever being folded.

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: Any velcro?

DON: (grin) Strands of silk-like material that you could hold a light on
one end and light would come out the other end. Fiber Optics? Maybe.
I-beam sections with hieroglyphic-like symbology that ran the length of
the strucures.  As to analysis--we have witnesses aside from the foreign
technology division at Battell Institute, Rand Corporation, Hughes
Aircraft, GE, I'm sure other labs throughout the country. And as of the
mid-80's, one of our sources informed us that THEY STILL CAN'T CUT THE
MATERIAL.

% Moderator recognizes question #5
  Predator (7)

ELIOT STEIN-HOST) Predator GA

Predator: Hi guys, I have 3 questions:

ELIOT STEIN-HOST) Let's make it ONE each so we can get everybody in!!!
Please!!!

Predator: Do you know if the alien Technologie is used today in America?

DON: There are scientists within our organization that have been
historically researching whether there were any drastic technological
breakthroughs after the event!  As to the materials, it has been rumored
that the Stealth technology was developed from it...but personally, I
don't describe to such theories.  I still beleive that the cover-up is a
cover-up of ignorance because they...

Predator: What about in weapons?

DON: ...still can't figure out what made the thing fly!!!  If the
materials aren't indigneous to the earth..how do you replicate them?

Predator: good answer and I hope Stein will have you on again!

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: Did they find any books, or communication devices? or
ANYTHING that would provide clues to where these folks came from?

DON: There was some symbology on the control panels. As to log-books,
maps, anything of origin...nothing as to where they came from.

% Moderator recognizes question #10
  Mike (22)

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: Mike GO AHEAD let's try again!

Mike: Any speculation when the U.S Gov't will -if ever-come clean with
the truth about the Roswell incident? GA

DON: There is an effort in Washington headed by Congressman Schiff for a
full disclosure. So far he has been stonewalled by the Department of
defense, the Pentagon and the Air Force.  As evidenced by other recently
exposed cover-ups, it will take efforts by regular citizens as well as
the press to bring this out.

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: Do they think there would be a panic if it came
officially from them?

DON: In 1960, the Brookings Institute, was contracted by NASA as to the
ramifications of contact with a higher intelligence.

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: This study was clearly not about contact with the
White House then?

DON: (grin) the 285 page report submitted to Congress included that such
contact would be DISASTEROUS!  That each time a higher race made
contact--it has eliminated the lower race!

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: Thanks....next

% Moderator recognizes question #12
  cres (44)

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: One more try!! GA CRES...

Cres: why are there nor hard data on the materials of the spacecraft --
after so many years it shoud be declassified and available with freedom
of information act. GA

DONALD: In the late 1970's, we were forced to sue in Federal Court...The
Air Force, FBI, CIA, as a result of the Freedom of Information Act
request we made for Full Disclosure. Thousands of documents were
released by court order and many of them were still "blacked
out"-sanitized.  And these were routine cases. We can imagine how the
files must look regarding Roswell!

Cres: it only takes a very small bit of matl. to prove it's alien. GA

DON: We're negotiating with military people for pieces of debris. Thanks

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: Don, were the eye-witnesses scared to death at the
crash site?

DON: YES!!!!....

Cres: I'd love to analyze it -- I am a DOE science person. GA

DON: One of the...[garbled] They were very uncomfortable to the point of
fright during the recovery... even the wife of one of the witnesses
tells us that her husband doesn's sleep well to this day and sometimes
goesout on the patio in the middle of the night--stares into the sky and
relived the whole incident again.

ELIOT STEIN-HOST: This has been great. I hope you will return as a
guest. I appreciate everybody coming...

[...End of File...]


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